The Forces Behind Price Suppression

[ich1baNMember]

Hello Everyone.

The point of my forum post here today is to inform many of you and many newcoming investors in the precious metals arena. As some of you know who I may be, I still wish to be anonymous for many reasons but I will reveal who I am later. 

However, to the point of my post. There are many on here who are loyal precious metals supporters. Whether you realize it or not, through your actions of buying long in gold and silver you are a natural anti Federal Reserve, anti Central Banking and pro honest money investor. Whether you realize it or not you are picking up the fight where Andrew Jackson left us in the middle of the 19th Century against not only the Central Banking Cartel but against the most evil of FreeMasons who are behind the push for a 1 world government and a mechanism to control the people. Now, do not get me wrong if you are unsure of what Freemasonry is. And if you are a member the Freemasons, you are most likely a 3rd degree or lower (based off statistics)…. Do yourself a favor and renounce your allegiance, b/c you are supporting something far more sinister than your local duties and charitable actions will have you believe and you will only realize this once you have climbed the ladder to the inner circle. 

Why do I know this and how? Well my great grandfater was the highest Mason you could be, 33 degree. This is the elite of elite inner circles. I am not boasting but I am showing you that this organization was actually once based upon operative Masons that took apprenticeships and built amazing stone structures throughout antiquity. It wasn’t until the French purged the Templar Knights b/c of the occult practices they were intertwining with Rosicrucianism and other Eastern Philosophies. These Templar Knights took their program to Scotland where you get the Scottish Rites of Freemasonry. They fought against the King of England for independence and helped James to victory who eventually became King of England. This James who was Catholic not protestant is the King James that is responsible for the King James Version of the bible.

Anyways, fast forward to today. Freemasonry is the only organization that permits members of any religion, any practice and any political stance. It is a seemingly Christian or Jewish organization b/c of its symbols and bible that stand on podiums inside the temple. However, go to an Arabian Freemason Temple and guess what book is sitting on their podium? The Koran. The story based on Solomon from the bible is true but the Freemasons have a totally different meaning for the events that unfolded to the temple builder who was murdered. Solomon represents the Sun God to the Freemasons. Sol-om-on means Sun in Latin, Egyptian, and (I forget the third language). The Masons (current version of the last 250 years) are subscribers to the Gnostic traditions and believe that you can attain perfect knowledge that has been hidden in all the other religions of the world. The way for you to find this is to climb the ladder of Freemasonry (which is one of the symbols you will find on their cloaks). Now, just like many pagan religions of antiquity they worship the Sun and of course the inner search for knowledge. It is about man’s struggle to find knowledge in this universe to unlock your attainment of being God. Of course, if you are a Christian like me, you will see the extreme blasphemy of this tradition and certainly, the extreme danger of belonging to such an organization. During the Protestant movement that was designed to oppose the Church and Catholicisms grip on power, there were many Protestant Christians joining the ranks of Freemasonry for the sole purpose of pursuing a common enemy. These Protestant clergy members to some degree still exist in Freemasonry. That is why the Vatican has created an order to watch over its members to make sure no Masons joined their ranks b/c of their sole desire to destroy the church. Christianity and Judaism is the last stance the Freemasons have in overcoming in search of their ultimate 21st Century goal of a 1 world order. 

It is the most powerful secret society in mankind that includes all of the secret societies that you hear about such as the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers, etc etc. Among its ranks are business elites, ex-presidents, scientists, astronauts, prominent individuals in government positions, and even many people from different religions from Christianity to Islam. They are all united under 1 ideal and that is once inside the temple you are not allowed to put your religious ideals forward in front of the mission of Masonry. Everyone is expected to open their minds in pursuit of knowledge. One of the most heinous offences one can do inside a Freemason Temple is to pray or say Jesus Christ’s name. There are numerous examples of this happening and the resulting action but I do not have time or space to discuss that in this post (as it is already quite long).

Now, that I have that said, one of the Freemasons goal is to have a 1 world government and the only way to do this is to make sure that gold and silver are not the currency that society chooses to use. This is the only form of money that is honest that can not be lent out in a fractional system that retains control of your life since your birth. As long as advocates exist to support honest money that is naturally anti-central bank and anti-fractional reserve, we are going to have enemies that exist in some of the most devious and powerful secret societies, Freemasonry. 

My point in making this article is that I want to inform every one of you, that we are here for a purpose and a reason, it is not just to make monetary compensations while believing the whole fiat system will collapse. That day could very well come, but your primary intent should be to oppose something that will be far worse than any depression and that is to oppose the Freemason’s attempt to control you through extreme fiat debt, thus creating a 1 world government in the face of world-wide currency collapse. The Masons know that the more people that believe in a Free currency or a money that can not be manipulated, the more people are free from the tentacles of central banking and their 1 world order intent. 

This is precisely some of the reasons Andy Jackson opposed the central banks b/c he knew of the private interests involved that would want more power over society and a way to circumvent the constitution and the rights given to you from birth. 

I will leave it here for now as this is a very long post and I will accept all questions and concerns. Thank you for your time.

[silverbullionMember]

ich1baN Thank you for sharing.

The Freemasons and their allies have created thousands of false religions. However, I am of the opinion that they’ve corrupted real Christianity and is using the counterfeit version (so called ‘Judeo-Christianity’) as their primary vehicle for global Satanic domination. Needless to say, this is not to say that real primitive first century Christianity and its advocates don’t exist anymore. In fact, if there is something that will upset the Freemasons’ whole apple cart, then it is real Christianity, which is not a religion, but a way of life. Real Christianity for one don’t deny Jesus Christ’s presence here on earth. I am not going to elaborate here, but those who belong to Him will know exactly what I am in reference to… we are not denying His power and is allowing Him to do works of power through us. This power is not of us, so none of us should brag about it, but it is a free gift one receives when Jesus, who is God, cleanses one’s mind of all Satanic ideas and/or thoughts in the true baptism, the Baptism of Fire, which is a process. We have all failed and need to make peace with God and I believe the only way is to be persuaded in the real Jesus and what He stands for. This is why it is of critical importance to have a truthful translation of God’s Word.

[ich1baNMember]

SB,

Thank you for your comments. I believe many of the things you say are important. But, I want to drive this point home as it can be easy to gloss over. The Masons are not per se using Christianity as their vehicle. Their vehicle is Freemasonry. They are trying to destroy Christianity and Judaism as it is the final wall in their race of global world governance. You must research these things much more deeply (especially Freemasonry) as it can be quite easy to start pointing fingers at branches of Christianity. Yes, there are flaws in all branches of Christianity and we could sit here and argue for days and months as to which is the right way. My point in this exercise is to show you that no one branch is 100% correct. There are many saved throughout the world in all branches of Christianity; what is important is your relationship with your community, proclaiming the good news, and your relationship with Christ (implied is the 3 dimension nature of Father, Son, Holy Ghost). Religion does destroy some of those aspects of spirituality and the power of gifts. But Paul made it apparent and important in establishing churches as they are the bedrock of community and establishing a faith guiding mechanism for those that are lost. Now, I can tell you that if these branches were to disappear as flawed as they can be at times, chaos would ensue, just what the Masons want. It is important to realize that they are not using Christianity as their vehicle, they use Freemasonry as their vehicle. They try to corrupt some of the Christians branches so that they fail, but you must realize this fact, otherwise you will be misled to a large degree when future events unfold.

Just as the 7 churches in Revelation were described by John as to the problems presented to Churches of the 1st Century Christians (the ones that you may be professing), are the same problems that beset the church today.

Also, as the Freemasons creating religions, I do not subscribe to that view of them. You have to keep in mind that a Free Mason was once representing those Masons that were Free. They were operatives that built the most amazing buildings and structures, but they turned into a devious secret society soon after the fall of the Templar Knights and the murder of Jacques De Molay. There members were quickly filled with knowledge seekers called gnostics, which by way of nature often comprised people that followed or took aspects from Eastern Philosophies and meditation. The whole occult nature of Freemason developed over the years as they took from these philosophies in their pursuit of destroying the old world order, which they were successful. The New World Order is upon us… It is even on our fiat money. Their purpose to destroy the old world was to create a secular system that allowed them to operate without persecution which is called the New World Order, which is what we are living in at present. The whole “NWO” that you hear people talk about are often mislead in their semantics, the new world order is already here, the next step is globalism and the union of a 1 world governance which is where systems like the EU, NAFTA and NATO were trying to lead to. 

The next step in the puzzle is to see that the destruction of the EU doesn’t mean the destruction of the goal of 1 world governance, thus the destruction of the plans of freemasons. What it means is that there is most likely a more powerful system that will be reared from this destruction of the EU. It may or may not be called the EU, but whatever transpires, it is not something you would want to hold your allegiance to. 

That is why we as free humans (no pun intended) and free wills, we can destroy or at least delay their efforts of a 1 world governance through the support of precious metals as money. Everything in history and society boils down to 1 single piece of property, money, in terms of control and a mechanism to control free wills. This struggle between precious metals and fiat money, is a struggle between good and evil.

[AGXIIKMember]

 Ichiban  Thank you for providing a clear explanation to the problems that face our world today.

This does go a long way to explaining why, debt,  more debt, debt slavery, debt servitude and debt destruction is the most common theme in the world economies today.   FIAT has been a very effective  instrument to seduce us into this paradigm of debt.  Easy money is like easy sin.  We can quickly slip into its clutches but it is hard to get out of that quicksand.

 For example,   Greece was supposed to get a debt reduction yet ended up with an increase of over 35%.  This is just one tiny fraction of debt, exemplified by the quardrillion dollars of derivatives.

 If there was one key element to a Free Mason plan to corrupt the world and its people it appears that the supercharged component of debt;  Derivatives is overweighted in this matter.  These seem to be the most likely WMD  that push us over the edge.  How Freemansons might think they can win these battles, all the while sounding like a toxic mishmash of heathans, pagans and Marxists, in reality the  end game of debt is upon us. Another problem is exposing them.  It  will be tricky since they blend in so well.

It seems to me  that the only way to remove the debt, derivatives and the ensuing slavery is for a small number of people who hold precious metals as well as a fierce commitment to defend and uphold the real values  and teaching of Christianity and Judaism to armor up and wage war.  This will be a heck of a fight.  The body count will be high since tens of millions of Americans are on the dole, possessing few resources to save themselves.  The tens of millions of seniors in this country will be in for a tough time too, no matter how resilient they profess to be.  It seems the Free Mason plans  to ensnare those two groups have gone quite well.

  The 12th hour is close at hand.  We’ve been traveling down the road of debt penury for a century in this country.  This has probably be going on even longer more  in  Europe. They’ve  raced past us with their accumulation of debt.    The correction is going to be hard and long fought. IMO

[silverbullionMember]

ich1baN You’re welcome.

The truth be told, they are using various vehicles to accomplish their goals, and yes, their bastion is Freemasonry, but all of it are ultimately grounded in the worship of Satan. He who was once an Angel of Light before he rebelled against God and persuaded a third of the angels to follow him; the very same one that was cast out of heaven after he and his followers lost the fight in heaven.

“They are trying to destroy Christianity and Judaism as it is the final wall in their race of global world governance” – I’ve done research and have studied the Word of God extensively, the truth is that they are using Judeo Christianity, which is a combination of false Christianity and Judaism (which in its conception and beginning was nothing short of apostate Hebraism), as their primary vehicle for global domination. It is after all no secret that the apostate Israelites who adopted the Babylonian Talmud, while in Babylonian captivity, came back to the political state of Judea with the Babylonian materialistic philosophy and after a time made a political compromise in the interest of false patriotism and brought in to the political state of Judea the Edomites who brought to fruition the teachings of modern Judaism. Thus, Judaism was, in the beginning, apostate Israelitism and was that which corrupted Judea so thoroughly that the God of Heaven caused the Judean state to be completely destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D.

The Talmudic Jews, who had usurped the Government of Judea and imposed upon that Government the plutocratic, materialistic, and Syncretic philosophy today known as Judaism, were the self-same people who put to death the innocent Son of God, God’s Appointed Savior. Now not all people in Judea rejected the Christ. Many true Israelites believed the Scripture and were looking for the Promised One. As a result, all true Judeans who answered the call of the Word of God were saved from the destruction prophesied by Christ that was to come upon the apostate state of Talmudic Judaism.

In fact, one needs very little research or understanding of history to know with certainty that the modern Judeo “Christian’s” view of Judaism is not the same understanding and view of Judaism that the Christians have held for most of the last two thousand years. The modern views and opinions expressed by the modern theologians of Judeo Christianity are not the views that were held even in early America by the vast majority of professing Christians. The proof of this is to be seen in the fact that the blasphemy of Judaism was once a state and capital crime. Those caught blaspheming Christ in early Christian America were subject to be hanged.
“…there are flaws in all branches of Christianity and we could sit here and argue for days and months as to which is the right way” – Yes, we can sit and argue for days and months about it, but I don’t believe that all branches and/or body politics of Christianity have flaws. The body politic of Philadelphia, one of the seven body politics mentioned in Revelation, had no flaws. In fact, according to God’s Word, there is only one Body Politic, only one persuasion, just as there is only one baptism and one God, one mentality and one body. The concept of denominations is itself predicated upon the false belief that there is a core principle which can make one a Christian, and beyond this core principle there are allowable differences of opinion. Denominationalism is blasphemy. There is only one truth, which exists only in its entirety, not in bits and pieces and mixed in with lies and blasphemies. There can be only one true Church, as the Scripture clearly states, and only in that true Body Politic is salvation possible.

“There are many saved throughout the world in all branches of Christianity; what is important is your relationship with your community, proclaiming the good news, and your relationship with Christ (implied is the 3 dimension nature of Father, Son, Holy Ghost)” – The Word of God proclaims that only a few will be saved, so on what grounds do you write that “there are many saved throughout the world in all branches of Christianity”? Needless to say, as there is only one God, the true Christian fully rejects the polytheistic doctrine of the trinity. The Bible says that God is a Mentality, and those who worship Him must worship Him in Mentality and in truth. God is an infinite Mind or Mentality, Who dwelt in Jesus Christ to the fullest measure. Again, there is only one God, no trinity. The Bible says, “Hear, Israel, your God is One.” In addition, the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus (the Word) was in the beginning with God and was God. How was Jesus very God and very man at the same time? The answer is declared very clearly in the New Testament: Jesus was indwelled with the Mind of God to the fullest capacity that any man can be indwelled, making Him the Second Adam. Inasmuch as He did not have an earthly father, this was possible. There is no doubt that God our Father has manifested Himself in many ways through the ages: as a Pillar of Fire, as a Burning Bush, as a fourth Hebrew child in the furnace. There is only one God, one infinite blessed Mentality. This is declared when it is said that God is a Mentality and that those who worship Him must worship Him in Mentality and in truth.

This does not mean that the true Christian does not accept the Godhead as set forth in Scripture, that is, the manifestation of God the Son, God the Father, God the Mentality of Separation (commonly known as the “Holy Ghost” because translators wanted to appease King James that was appointed by Freemasons). Yet, the true Christian also accept God the Pillar of Fire, and other ways in which God the Father manifests Himself or His power, such as the flaming tongues on the Day of Pentecost. Therefore, the true Christian, while accepting the Godhead and any other manifestation of God, firmly rejects the teaching of the trinity. 

“They try to corrupt some of the Christians branches so that they fail, but you must realize this fact, otherwise you will be misled to a large degree when future events unfold” – This is true to some extent, because they know that God’s truth can resurface in some of the so called Christian denominations, which can be extremely dangerous to them. This is why they are working so hard to completely destroy the Roman Catholic Church for one, which was once representative of God’s true Church/Body Politic and/or Government here on earth.

I can assure you that I am not misled; the Zionists and their “Judeo Christian” allies, who are currently pretty much in control, present the biggest threat to God and His people. The sad truth is that many Muslims for one know more about true Christianity than most people who profess to be “Christians.” In fact, many Muslims know that ultimately there can be no peace between the followers of true Christianity and Islam, but they do compromise in order to fight a common enemy.

This will be my last post under this topic. I have no desire to argue with anyone, it only leads to that which is totally unacceptable to God.

[The DocKey Master]

This is an excellent thread.  You are all much closer to the truth than most.  Yes, FreeMasonry is all about sun worship- as is modern christianity, islam, and every other satan inspired worship system..its all a descendent from Baal worship in the old testiment.  Baal worship continues today exactly as practiced for millenium, only under different names.  I have sent AGXIIK a copy of Too Long in the Sun.  I highly recommend it for all in search of and open to the truth.
http://www.toolong.com/

[ich1baNMember]

Thanks for the copy Doc. I highly suggest if you are serious about learning about Freemasonry, you should read the book “Scarlet and the Beast” by John Daniel. He is a protestant pastor that has studied this topic since the early 70s. He has extensively researched this topic and interviewed many masons and ex-masons along the way, including Astronaut James Irwin who was a previous Mason but renounced Freemasonry and gave the rest of his life to spreading the good news…. if you didn’t know, all astronauts are required to become Freemasons.

[2 OZ.Member]

Very informative guys. I often heard and read about their mission. This is incredible and I think, DOC, you should put a portion of this read on the main page and then direct others to this forum. The FM’s seem to have tremendous power and clout worldwide. I have to say, fortunately, they cannot overcome the light of God just as Satan couldn’t. 

We are in the last days of the modern fiat currencies and those that don’t jump on this PM train early will suffer the worst when the fiats collapse. A day late and a dollar short, if you will. In any market, those that don’t see the beginning jump in when it’s too late and lose big time. I am a firm believer in the collapse of all fiat within the next few months to few years. I intend to stack and disregard all Trolldom. I know at some point there will be opportunities other than PM’s but, for me, that time is not coming until after the collapse.

 I’ll check out the recommended books ich1baN. I’ve learned or at least read enough here to spark my interest and am looking forward to more posts.

[ich1baNMember]

Hi 2 Oz. Thank you so much for your reply.

I am reading the book now and I will try to post more as I read it b/c there is so much information packed in this 1100 page book. It really goes into the very core of Freemasonry, dissecting it, exposing its ulterior motives and proving that they worship Lucifer. The lower initiates are deceived on purpose to believe that they are supporting a Christian or Jewish cause to see which rite they will fit in better with, the York Rite which has 13 degrees or the Scottish Rite which has 32 degrees. The 13 degree York is equivalent to the 32 degree Scottish Rite. 

The reason the book is titled “Scarlet and the Beast” is b/c they represent the 2 major Freemasonry corps; the English Freemasonry and the French Freemasonry (don’t let all the names confuse you, it really boils down to these 2). They were both born of the same root and stock (if my memory serves me right) a few years after the Knight’s Templar leader, Jacques deMolay was burned at the stake as mentioned earlier. The English Freemasonry version represents middle to upper class aristocracy, wealth, usually believes in some sort of deity and is right-wing leaning and is Scarlet (the Harlot of Babylon who rides on top of the Beast for now). French Freemasonry is generally middle-low to lower income class, poor, and left-wing leaning, generally atheistic or communistic in their philosophy. Despite them being atheistic generally, they still worship satanic forces. The Beast represents French Freemasonry. And just as in Revelation, the Beast overcomes the Harlot of Babylon (the current capitalistic economy and English Freemasonry with it). Now, this bitter rivalry has lasted for about 200 years and really intensified when 32 degree Freemason Karl Marx and Freemason Engels came up with their idealistic communist value system. Karl Marx was actually just a frontman for communism, they were not originally his ideas, they were Engels. The point of this was so that if communism failed they would blame someone of Jewish origins (Marx was born a Jew, converted to Christianity at age 6, and sometime after became atheist), and not blame Freemasonry. 

I know at this point it is pretty incredible to believe all of this, but it all checks out. Even Annie Besant, one of the most famous female Freemasons, who encouraged population growth to a maximum degree and aided the rush to the creation of contraceptives and abortion is one of satan’s minions. 

So you can see that French and English Freemasonry are pitted against each other for world dominion and governance. However, when things get real desperate, like the brothers they are, the form temporary truces to fight against and try to subvert and destroy their ultimate enemy; Christendom and Judaism. 

Now, when you look throughout history and there is a movement with some sort of liberal (progressive) undertone to the policy it usually was some sort of Freemason ploy. For instance if you look at the 33 degree Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his stacking of the Justices of the Supreme Court with 32 degree Freemasons, you will see soon after his appointments some of the most liberal policies were pushed through (mostly designed to dumb down our education system and take the bible/prayer out of our public school system). The intent here was to create a system by which common people who had no church or community that were in the public school system would no longer have a moral code or guide to go by, thereby (this is part here is my theory) maybe increasing the potential ranks of Freemasonry.

One example is Earl Warren (must I say 32 degree Freemason), former Chief Justice of the Supreme court responsible for banning public use of the bible and prayer in schools 1962-1964. 

He is also the same Earl Warren who headed the “Warren Commission” which was responsible for covering up JFKs assassination (it is a long story but the reason JFK was assassinated was b/c he represented a pull away from support of Freemasonry in the Presidents long history of it) which was a Freemason plan. Warren stacked his commission full of other 32 degree Freemasons and members from the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) which is currently an interesting organization as many of its members are routinely invited to the Bilderbergers (a Freemason front group) annual gathering. The current honorable chairman of CFR is David Rockefeller and it is considered a powerful Think Tank in DC that has much authority or influence over politics, the economy, and media as many members from each of these sectors hold high positions such as multiple Fortune 100 CEOs, Tom Brokaw, Zakaria from CNN, multiple large Private Equity firms such as Carlyle Group, Blackstone, professors from Harvard, Princeton and Stanford, Colin Powell, and even former Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin. 

Check out their board member’s list here:

http://www.cfr.org/about/people/board_of_directors.html

In fact it is so easy to spot that this organization is malicious in its motives b/c all you have to do is read 1 article from its CEO, Mr. Haas, explaining what to do for Palestines statehood. He blatantly is for statehood, but he words it so carefully as to not tip off mainstream America but just enough if you comprehend the bigger picture that you can pick up on his intentions. I do not know how many people from CFR are Freemasons but 1 thing is for sure they are interconnected and if you want to get an idea maybe on the direction the uber Elite want to take our country, all 1 has to do is read the articles on CFR. I am more than willing to find out one day who and how many from this group are FMs with the book 10000 Famous Freemasons but for now I will go back to my research of this organization which ties back to the control of Central Banking thus the control of silver and Gold price suppression. 

From my viewpoint, the corporations own so much US Federal Bonds and the Federal Reserve has collateral on those bonds that they are inextricably linked arm in arm. Freemasons may have not always been involved with depressing silver and gold but now by way of proxy it is their duty to carry it b/c if gold and silver take off, then the interest rates on US bonds will take off, therefore destroying the value of the dollar, equities, and the ability of the US government to pay interest payments on the debt. 

Okay, I will stop there for now,….. I still have a lot that I want to get off my chest, but this is enough to digest for now.

• This reply was modified 12 months ago by  ich1baN.
• This reply was modified 12 months ago by  ich1baN.

[snowriderMember]

ich1naN,

I would suppose that your statement that “God is a mentality and they that worship him must worship Him in mentality and truth” comes from the Bible. However, your terms are beginning to get twisted! Mentality: a way of thinking; mental inclination or character:

The Bible says there is a way which seems right, but the end thereof are the ways of death. It also says the processes of the mind are in complete contrast to the will of God. Those who are carnal minded cannot please God. God is NOT a mentality! He is Spirit. The Spirit is the part of us that knows, the mind is the part of us that learns. Big difference! It is to our spirit to which God speaks – Romans 8: 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 

A false religion is one that condemns all others and exalts itself as the one and only true enlightenment from God. Your thoughts on Masonry are for the most part correct, but your interpretation of the Deity is incorrect. The fact is: you do not know how God exists, where He came from, how He does the things He does! None of us as mere humans have the luxury of possessing absolute evidence of the makeup of the Deity. If we did, faith would not be a necessary component in the life of a believer. Are there 3 who when combined are ONE? Many say “yes.” Are there 3 manifestations that compose the One True God? Again, many support this idea. Even though when a man leaves his father and mother to be joined to his wife, it says: they two become ONE. It is the same Greek word for one that is used when it says: there are three that bear record in heaven, and these three are ONE. The husband and wife do not become one person, but they do grow into unity as the years pass. You cannot ascribe to the Spirit that which is associated with the mind. 

[silverbullionMember]

snowrider
I’ve written above that this “…will be my last post under this topic”, but I
cannot sit idle while you falsely accuse ich1naN…< ?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

In
the Christian Scriptures, the word pneuma,
for which mentality is translated,
literally means wind or air, from which we derive the English
word pneumatic, for example. Thus,
both the word mentality and the word spirit are representative of the
metaphorical meaning of the word. The word spirit
became a common English translation of this word due to the influence of the
Latin in the use of the word spiritus.
This Latin word is also the derivation of such English words as sprite, which means ghost. Hence, the word spirit
too came to carry the meaning of the word ghost,
and in the KJV the word pneuma is
also translated ghost. The word pneuma
is defined in a plethora of ways among the lexicons, but most agree with the
meaning of an intelligent, incorporeal
being. In view of this definition and taking account of the usage of the
word in the New Testament, it was felt that the word Mentality best described
the original intent of the authors of the NT.

I
believe that God has revealed Himself in the manifestation of the Mentality of
Separation. I also recognize the common usage of the description of the Mind of
God to be “Holy Spirit,” and therefore at times do use this term to reduce
confusion when teaching. I understand, however, that Mentality of Separation is a more accurate term to describe this
particular manifestation of God. God is after all holy, because He is separated
from evil.

[snowriderMember]

silverbullion,

Falsely accuse? Maybe that statement refers to your statement toward me. I simply questioned his description of how humans are to worship the Deity. To worship in mentality and in truth is somewhat foggy phraseology for the average person. Maybe you have a PHD in the Greek language, I don’t know. What I do know is worship comes from much deeper within a person than just their mentality. The word “mental” means of or pertaining to the mind. If the mind in its natural state is carnal, then it is impossible to worship God with it. Worship affects the mind, but worship is a much deeper expression than what typically comes from the mind. No wonder so very few actually worship the Father in spirit and in truth. In spirit is WHO we know. In truth is WHAT we have learned. That was my point, but you chose to distort that and then make a decision to hit me and then run. I also questioned his interpretation that excluded the possible existence of God in a trinity form. 

[silverbullionMember]

snowrider I can only hope that you take my words in the right spirit, which is not to offend you or anyone here. This however doesn’t mean that I am going to respond in a sugar-coated manner.

Yes, falsely accuse, because according to you: “ich1naN, I would suppose that your statement that “God is a mentality and they that worship him must worship Him in mentality and truth comes from the Bible.”

The statement that you are in reference to was not made by ich1naN, but by me. I didn’t write “falsely accuse” in the sense that you’re so far in the wrong that you need to be hanged, but you did attribute something falsely to ich1naN, something that I want to see corrected.

I didn’t distort anything nor did I run away as you claim, I’ve only placed made my opinion and facts relating to the matter on the table. In fact, I think you’re confusing the physical brain with mentality. There is a huge difference between the two. It is like saying the photo is the camera, it is simply not correct. Yes, what can typically come from the mind can be garbage when compared to what’s written in the Word of God, but it is simply incorrect to entertain the idea that one’s mentality and/or the mentality inside of one is incapable of deep expression when it comes to worship. You once again make a false accusation when you write: “No wonder so very few actually worship the Father in spirit and in truth.” In fact, I am not going to argue with you or further entertain the false accusations that you’re making. I am sure our fellow brothers and sisters here at SD can read for themselves to clearly see who are confusing the matters and who are making false statements.

I will leave you with the following: “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus” Philippians 2:5

[ich1baNMember]

Snowrider,

You should be more careful as to who you are trying to quote. I never even used the word mentality in any of my posts (which Silverbullion was trying to clear up). 

Also, you did highjack my thread and I don’t really appreciate that. This is not a thread about the mentality of God vs Spirit. This is about exposing the Freemasons. So please do not comment further on your interpretations of spiritual matters unless you are going to directly contact SB about it, b/c it honestly detracts from the true intent of my thread. 

• This reply was modified 12 months ago by  ich1baN.

[snowriderMember]

In reprinting someone’s statement it would be helpful if the font that represents your words would be different than the font of the one you are quoting. In reading over the comments it was easy to misconstrue who said what? For that I humbly ask for your forgiveness. 

[snowriderMember]

No intent to hijack anything here. I affirmed the point of what you had written concerning the Masons. The Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry, Albert Pike in 1889 said:

That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him?

Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god.

Notice you can easily see my words from the words quoted by Pike. It helps to make the distinction between the two. And to you also I humbly ask for your forgiveness. I should have read more clearly.

[ich1baNMember]

Forgiveness is granted, I appreciate your insight into the Masons as you have definitely studied up as well. Albert Pike is considered the most famous High Grand Inspector General to live in America as he was really responsible for getting the boots on the ground so to say. The masons have actually granted him a statue in DC, pretty gross as he was a lustful person that would have orgies with prostitutes for weeks at a time in the Ozark mountains. He would bring wagons full of boos, (maybe drugs?), and women with him for weeks at a time. 

This gets to my point about the masons deifying sex as a god. Pike thought it was so important to give into your lustful desires that he brought it up at a national grand inspectors meeting that all temples should have prostitutes in them such as some of the ancient mystic religions they have come from. Pike made the analogy that it is a balancing act to be able to give into your lustful desires but at the same time be able to control it. It is such an irony that baphomet, the symbol of sex and a symbol higher grand masons seem to wear on occasion is the lustful goat himself. 

In fact the most used masonic symbol, the square and compass is supposed to symbolize (among other things) the male and female in perpetual coitus through time. The compass represents the male legs and the square represents the female legs in submission and in the center is the “G” (which represents Grand Architect, God, Gnosis, etc) where the male and female organs would intersect. So in essence, they worship among other things the perpetual interaction of the male and female sex organs intermingling.

Now, I know I might get reamed by the more libertarian thinkers on this site for what I am about to say but I must say it. The masons also except all forms of sex, homosexuality, beastality, etc….. My non-religious argument to those that are of accepting all forms of sexuality:

There is a code in nature which (in my biased opinion God wrote) which can not be violated. You can see this code appear in many forms throughout different ecological and natural events. Some of the best examples of this code at work are the consequences of homosexuality. If homosexuality were accepted by nature, then the code would not work against it. You see, it is those that are of this sexual stance that have the highest rates of disease contraction and cancers among the living population. If the code were to accept this life style then nature would not have their life style put at risk by giving them higher proportions of disease (therefore a shorter lifespan) than the standard population. Believe, me heteros are at this same risk if they engage in some of the same sexual categories which include ingesting fecal matter particulates at a higher concentration (which homosexuals do at an astonishing higher rate than any other orientation). Also, it has been biologically proven that the male penis is not designed for the anus and it actually is a much quicker way to catch certain diseases as anal/rectal cancers are on the rise in their category. 

Now, I went on that diatribe to show you that since the Freemasons are all for these unnatural proclivities, it makes them that much more dangerous as they are accepting certain principles and morals that allow society to not only deteriorate at a faster pace, but social norms are not enforced, thus causing an increase in these precarious orientations. 

You can call me all the names in the book for my philosophical and political views, but it still does not change the fact of nature and its code. 

You can see this code manifest itself in other areas of nature. Remember mad cow disease? What happens when you start feeding cows their own DNA and brain material? You start getting abnormal diseases mixed into the bovine population b/c farmers forced (or accidentally) fed cows their own brethren. What does nature do to sort this sort of mess out? It creates a disease that will infect the cows and any human that ingests its meat for consumption. The point is that if you do something morally wrong, it has repercussions that you can see in nature (which in my opinion God intended for). 

So, I just hijacked my own thread….

[silverbullionMember]

ich1baN Excellent post. I am 100% with you, especially in regards to the “There is a code in nature”. I refer to that code as the original cosmotic order of Almighty God.

The only Cosmotic world order that God the Father ever blessed or does bless in this hour of history is His World Order, not the Satanic world order that came into existence at the cowardly capitulation of the first Adamites. So the violation of a man’s seedline, that is, to have illicit sex with another man’s wife, was forbidden by the law of God; incest was forbidden; molesting young children was forbidden, and you may go through and you may read for yourself all of the laws of God regarding the regulation of a holy or Separated Society. Homosexuality was not tolerated in either men or women in the Separated Society of the Church of Ancient Israel, the Church of Israel; disobedient, incorrigible, unteachable, rebellious children were not tolerated in that society, in fact, they were put to death, because you see the Israelites believed in the common adage that one rotten apple will indeed spoil the whole barrel.

The laws that regulate the original cosmotic order of Almighty God are called the Divine Laws of Establishment. Needless to say, secret societies such as the Masons fight with all their might against these laws and its advocates. The original cosmotic order is in many regards the exact opposite of what we have today. 

[snowriderMember]

ich1baN

My uncle was a Shriner. He was a 33rd degree Mason. The intentions of the shriners was to create a legitimacy in the eyes of the public. Shriner’s Hospital and other good works that shriners do are believed to be an effort toward PR in the eyes of the public. I once asked the question: is it true that in some of the vows that Masons quote, they are word for word that is seen in the ceremony to become a witch or warlock? The answer was: “Yes!” Back then as a young man I was blown away. Also my cousin was convicted of a crime in 1980 in which a woman was murdered. My uncle went to the state in which the crime was committed trying to locate another mason through the secret hand shakes. His trip was a failure. On returning home the Worshipful Master of the local lodge told my uncle that if he could come up with $100,000 his son would not spend a day in prison. Masons try to validate their organization by quoting some former members:

George Washington was a Mason, Benjamin Franklin served as the head of the fraternity in Pennsylvania, as did Paul Revere and Joseph Warren in Massachusetts. Other well-known Masons involved with the founding of America included John Hancock, John Sullivan, Lafayette, Baron Fredrick von Stuben, Nathanael Greene, and John Paul Jones. Another Mason, Chief Justice John Marshall, shaped the Supreme Court into its present form.

However, the Masons have a corrupt history that is associated with the Rothschilds. It goes back for centuries.  When Congress rejected the renewal of its charter, the Bank of the United States was closed on March 4, 1811. This ignited Nathan Rothschild’s wrath because he 

he had controlling stock in the bank. 

He declared – “Either the application for renewal of the Charter is granted, or the United States will find itself in a most disastrous war.” 

When Nathan Rothschild asked the British Parliament to declare war, the Prime Minister objected. He was assassinated by “a lone gunman” on May 11, 1812. Parliament declared war on June 18, 1812.

 This brought on the War of 1812, our second war with England, which facilitated the re-chartering of the 2nd Bank of the United States in 1816. The bank was issued a 20 year charter until Andrew Jackson vetoed its renewal. I know I am kinda going around in circles but the most damning evidence of this unholy alliance is seen in a plan that was hatched back in 1770 in which there is clear evidence of the Rothschilds union with the Masons.

In 1770, Mayer Amschel Rothschild married Gutele Schnapper. In that same year, he retained Jewish-born, Adam Weishaupt, an apostate Jesuit-trained professor of canon law, to revise and modernize Illuminism, the worship of Satan, with the objective of world domination and the imposition of  the Luciferian ideology “upon what would remain of the human race” after a final orchestrated social-cataclysm. In 1773, Mayer summoned twelve wealthy men to Frankfort and asked them to pool their resources, then presented the 25-point plan that would enable them to gain control of the wealth, natural resources and manpower of the entire world. 

 

Those 25 points are:

1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.

2. Preach “Liberalism” to usurp political power.

3. Initiate class warfare.  

4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable.   

5. Dismantle “existing forces of order and regulation.” Reconstruct all existing institutions.”

6. Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it.

7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. “Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently.”

8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by “agenteurs” to corrupt the youth.

9. Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.

10. Foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.

11. Choose candidates for public office who will be “servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game.”

12. Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.

13. Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.

14. Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.

15. Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the “Goyim” (gentile nations).

16. When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of the entire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.

17. Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. “The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwards… That is of no consequence.”

18. A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.

19. Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisers to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing “the secret power behind national and international affairs.”

20. Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so even the largest fortunes of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash.”  

21. Use economic warfare. Rob the “Goyim” of their landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.

22. “Make the ‘Goyim’ destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, with a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interest.”

23. Call it The New Order. Appoint a Dictator.

24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.

25 Twist national and international laws into a contradiction which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law. 

It appears we are very near the appointment of a Dictator. Now I really have hi-jacked your thread. Sorry for all of my musings. 

[silverbullionMember]

Excellent post snowrider.

“Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors” – This is exactly what they’re going to try once the current fiat or debt-based monetary system collapses.

[ich1baNMember]

Thank you Silverbullion for your earlier expose on the code. 

SnowRider, excellent post.

I am saddened by the manipulations of the masons of your cousin. I surely hope he was able (assuming he was innocent) to be set free. 

I am most amazed (not in a honoring way) of the shriners, as I believe this group of particular individuals could comprise the secret of secrets so to say of the Masons. The 33rd degree reserved for the Shriners is unique and I have read from former Masonic statements that one has to commit an oath to Allah, the moon god and then recite a quote that gives total allegiance to the Muslim islamist cause.

Is this part still true, at least when your uncle was a Shriner? And can you expound upon your knowledge of the Shriners as I find them the most mystic. Are there current notable shriners that you know of through your uncle? (you don’t have to answer that, I am just curious).

My great grandfather was the former mayor of Cheyenne (late 1800s) and was a 32 degree mason and was supposedly alive during the hanging of Tom Horn. Other than that I don’t know a whole lot about his relations with the Masons. Other than him winning a shroud of another 33rd degree Mason’s Eagle (as the story is told to me) in a poker match. I took that eagle to the National Masonic Museum in Alexandria, VA to ask the Masonic staff what some of the symbols meant. Upon sight the mason told us the basic symbols and then his eyes gazed upon the 7 star grouping (I forget the name of this particular symbol) and he gasped so I asked him “what does that mean”!? He then replied “I can not tell you what this symbol means b/c I would be breaking my masonic oath” and then he handed it back to me and our conversation ended. So perhaps you have knowledge of this 7 star grouping as well?

[silverbullionMember]

You’re welcome ich1baN.

[snowriderMember]

ich1baN,

As I understand, the following is a known fact of entrance for those who are qualified to be inducted into the Shrine.

Candidates for induction into the Shriners are greeted by a High Priest, who says:

 “By the existence of Allah and the creed of Mohammed; by the legendary sanctity of our Tabernacle at Mecca, we greet you.”

The inductees then swear on the Bible and the Koran, in the name of Mohammed, and invoke Masonry’s usual gruesome penalties upon themselves:

 “I do hereby, upon this Bible, and on the mysterious legend of the Koran, and its dedication to the Mohammedan faith, promise and swear and vow … that I will never reveal any secret part or portion whatsoever of the ceremonies … and now upon this sacred book, by the sincerity of a Moslem’s oath I here register this irrevocable vow … in willful violation whereof may I incur the fearful penalty of having my eyeballs pierced to the center with a three-edged blade, my feet flayed and I be forced to walk the hot sands upon the sterile shores of the Red Sea until the flaming sun shall strike me with livid plague, andmay Allah, the god of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan, the god of our fathers, support me to the entire fulfillment of the same. Amen. Amen. Amen.”

Does this sound familiar? 

[ich1baNMember]

Hi snowrider,

Sorry for the delay. It definitely sounds familiar as to what I have researched and is quite damning as more and more people realize these groups are in actuality a mere subterfuge for some of the worlds’ top elites. Hopefully, the “Great S&G Boom” of late 2012-2014 will transfer enough wealth to the little guys like us in order to prevent their ability to complete their systems and dilute their power.

[ich1baNMember]

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