Silver to Crash to $15, Then Physical to Rocket Past $1,000 + as Fiat Collapses

Submitted by SD Contributor Marshall Swing

It’s about time for me to write my piece on $15 silver and $500 gold, I think.

It seems quite some people get into the market not having the strength to withstand the volatility even though what drew them in was the logic behind the PM story and its validity in time of hyperinflation as a store of wealth.

When silver is $500-$1000 those who sold at $26 will be sorry because they will have nothing in the end after the crash…

It does not matter what happens with the world’s economy, like some are talking, (such as Faber), about commodities crashing with the slowdown in the global economy.  When the wealth of the world rushes into gold and silver when there is nothing left it will not matter that PM wealth might have devalued 50-75% in the crash.

Fake wealth will stay down while real PM wealth will soar.

 

If silver is $15 at the bottom and $1000 at the top then that is 6,700% just based on today’s math.

 

But if there is the great deflation that I theorize, then what was $1000 goes to nothing so what becomes $1000 is actually many, many multiples of that $1000 as compared to those who have nothing.

 

That is multiplying 1000 times not just 67 times in respect to those who have nothing and the coming revaluation of the world wealth in terms of an asset backed trade system of currency (SDR).

 

So $15 silver ounce at the bottom is really $15,000 in terms of relative wealth, if my logic is correct.

 

Catch my drift?

Comments

  1. Marshall Excellent post!!!! lol I catch your drift. In fact, I couldn’t stated it better myself.

  2. Ditto SB’s comment Marshall. This kind of goes back to “The Doctor is in” question by Bruce. We have to keep in mind not to panic and not to sell our PM’s when the price drops dramatically. Most of us here understand that and will load up. We think in ounces and not dollars. One thing for sure, deflation is happening and it will pick up speed. This is super dangerous and the central banks won’t let it go on long because they and the world economies will be destroyed. They are making the same fiat mistakes that are always made (History). They can’t contain the monster of debasement and they will print. The Euro Zone is already talking 2 trillion to prop. the Euro. The FED is holding off as long as possible but they will have no choice due to deflation and collapsing banks and a collapsing Euro (print baby print).

    As commodities continue to fall (back up the truck) and the bank runs escalate, even the mighty dollar will have to be debased more by printing. Inflation will increase slowly at first and then to pick up speed maybe to hyper inflationary levels. I expect gold and silver to run above the inflation for a while. This will be the time to use it’s purchasing power to your advantage. Always remember though, never never ever give up your entire stack. O.K. I rambled enough.

  3. Great post Marshall makes my Stacking worth while and very understandable now. Lol

  4. No panic here!  Plan to hold forever if necessary!

  5. Great post 2 OZ. We’re on the same page.

  6. Hi! Marshall I just copied and posted your string to another site which I belong to, hope you don’t mind. One guy is having trouble hanging on so maybe your string will help.

  7. Great posts my brothers hold fast & keep stacken & enjoy the ride

    The bankers are going to find themselves between the rock & a hard case ( folks like us ) & in the end we shall…….prevale

    BUY silver & gold & stab a banker in the back

    The bankers are hurting themselves more than they are hurting us

    Great posts

    coins for everyone

  8. Central banks and governments are not buying begals by the ton….they are buying gold by the ton!  There is a reason for this.  HOLD!!!

     

  9. P.S.

    lol..I only mentioned bagels because I happened to be eating one at the time.

  10. Yes, this is exactly what will happen.  Just like 2008 when things got really bad and banks started locking up then expect all commodities and metals to drop like a rock. The hedgers will need to sell everything for liquidity killing off the prices. Immediately the powers at the wheel will need to implement some type of massive QE3 (The Mother of all QE’s).  I keep saying this over and over again but at that point the canary in the coal mine has died.  This will be the last leg of deflation as countdown to blast off will begin for all commodities and metals. 

    This is when the possibility of a bank holiday or similar measures remain high.  So everyone that thinks they will wait and buy physical silver at $18 an ounce will have a very nasty surprise waiting for them.  Probably by the time they would have access to any sizable amount of money to buy physical the price and supply will be very tight.

    So timing remains up in the air as this could drag on for a couple more years.

    However, I would much rather them fix the economy but time is quickly running out.  Like most people I’ve slowly been giving up hope they will be able to fix anything.

  11. So I cash in my 200 Kilos of silver.  What do they give me?  FIAT?  More f*king FIAT?  Yeah so I hold 50 Mil in FIAT, Two weeks later, I buy a loaf of bread with a wheelbarrow full of paper?  Dont think FIAT, Think land.  Take your kilo bar and change it for Land, Farming property, Trees, Rivers, Sheep, Cows, Pigs….  dont be sucked into the FIAT, When your Silver hits the million dollar range, go buy some land, lots of it.  Stay away from the paper.  SP.

  12. I bought silver at $60/oz last year in my country, so I’ve grown a tough skin.

    I keep buying silver on auction if I can get a good price, like $22/oz 80% silver last week. I also diversify my silver stack with a numismatic edge, buying good numis-fundamentals 1oz coins in the $100-150 range, because it protects me from silver spot drops.
    Most importantly, I’m keeping dry powder, so I’m ready for the dips or good deals when they come.
  13. $15 silver = MY DREAM!!!!!   Stack, stack, STACK AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. Ayyyyyyyyee chi wa wa!!!

    This was supposed to be just a personal note from me to Doc….
    hehehehehe
    Well, anyway, that post is coming sooner rather than later I think :D
    There will surely be scoffers and I will take quite some heat on it but that is precisely what I do best (take the heat)
    ;)
    Marshall
  15. silver psycho lol You ain’t no psycho my Friend. Thanks for the great advice.

  16. lol Marshall

  17. Loved that video Bull Lion!!

    Thanks.
    I am going to definitely use that on my website.
    That is precisely the strategy of those who will be successful in this coming age of asset backed world currency.  
    I have been thinking, of late, that a sell time may never come unless it is to do what silver psycho suggests and buy tangible hard assets like land and property at the other asset classes deflation at the bottom.
    There will be that rush of fiat into gold and silver and all the other commodities will get left in the dust because they are not money.  Once gold and silver reach the peak, then we take a few silver coins and become the slum lords and business owners of the next age…  We will probably hire CEOs to work for us for peanuts!  Literally.
  18. It’s good to see some trading of posts and videos between websites.  This spreads the words we take seriously in our lives and plans.  Buying commodities now including productive land, consumables, protection, phyzz and those assets needed to counter the effects of FIAT banking and debt, we provide ourselves and those near us with the bulwarks to secure our positions.  If silver was to go to $15 an ounce so be it.  It could happen  It could also happen that those large scale buyers such as China and the eastern powers would provide a floor on the price close to where it in now.  In any case, the prices are reasonable today and could remain reasonable for some time to come given the deflationary effects of banks collapsing like they did in the Lehman era.   Hold on to your pantaloons. Things will get very interesting before they stabilize. 

  19. Cool.

  20. Yep Jake will be weighing in on this soon so I’ll leave his explanation alone.

    However the term dollar will need to be removed to judge VALUE.
    LABOR is VALUE ! So to base a value of silver you need to look at the labor it takes to get it, weighed against the labor of what you are trading it for.
    At this present time the mines will stop mining silver if the dollar price drops bellow $20.00oz. It’s to labor intensive and energy dependent. So if it dosen’t make dollars it dosen’t make sense! Ok now I hear everyone saying that most silver mining is a by product of other mettals. Yes your right but silver is rarer than all those other metals.So they would need to keep the same production of mining on all other metals to keep the same volume of silver coming out of the groung.
    Now if the economy is as bad as it looks today and geting worse day by day world wide. There will be no need to keep any metal mining at a curent pace in fact it has already dropped in production. Mines will not take there profets to spend on labor & energy digging metals out of the ground to just have it site there.
    You all have heard of near 0 intrest rates, well in my opinion the mines are at near 0 profet. Above ground silver is in a deficit and hard pressed to keep pace with industrial and investors needs. I feel one would be living in a dream world waiting for below $20oz silver. In my view I do not think the spot price will ever close at $24oz 
    Could be wrong but a World War at this point in time would be the only reason to increase mining.
     
  21. Productive land…maybe.  They can tax it away from you.  They can regulate what to plant, where, how you can sell produce.  They can take it by eminent domain, declare it a wetland, reserve it for wildlife……   Very risky.

  22. Trying to time the lows is going to be a crap shoot.  What if Gainesville, Tulving, AMPEX decide to not sell at these low prices?  What if they take your money and don’t deliver because of the ensuing chaos?  What if the USPS sends the package to JPM.  You right, its fucking history then!

  23. Jem;

    I do agree with you on the most part, and would be the reason I would stay away from those things for the time being. This has happened in other country’s and to some extent in the USA as well. Citys have used eminent domane to grab whole neighbor hoods for the good of the community. Property taxes have gone sky high and will continue to do so. And government tells you what you can and can not do with the land you quote un quote own.
    I do however believe the american people will only take so much before a revolt. Unlike other country’s the american people are vary heavily armed. This is the reason that our government keeps chipping away at our gun rights to gain control. But there inly’s another revolt just try taking by force Americas Guns    
  24. You get the Dow closing down over 4000-6000 points in 3 days and I guaranfuckingtee silver will be in the teens!  Time to nail a couple more monster boxes in the ensuing chaos if you are smart and prepared!!!

    AC

  25. As I’d said elsewhere … the invisible purchase power of PMs is winding up like a spring. When the banknote scheme implodes by it’s complex compounding interest Maw, that spring is going to unwind everywhere in the world, with a fury unmatched in human history. When goods-at-market are rationally valued in grains of metals, rather than banknotes, an offer of twenty million banknotes per ounce of silver will be flatly rejected without a second’s thought, by those who actually understand what’s going on around them.

  26. Pat!

    You need a picture!

  27. I have to think when (if) the price gets to $15.00, you’ll not find a physical ounce at that price unless you buy some a street walker looking for a little cash. We may be getting close to physical/paper separation. Get it while you can.

  28. There is a post on Harvey Organ’s site that Evo Morales, super Socialist, is nationalizing Glencore’s Colquiri tin and zinc mine  I dont know if there is a silver stream from this mine but with Venezuela and Argentine doing the same with their mines,  this South American withdrawal from international cooperation of resource mining will certainly pinch the supplies of base commodities.  These nationalized mines are never efficient   SA is also having the mine nationalization blues.  This is just an FYI this Sunday AM

  29. We are in the middle of a deflationary collapse.   The Central Banks have been trying to balance on the fence.  They are trying to ‘re-flate’ just enough to keep the deflationary head winds from knocking us off the fence into solid, hard core deflation.  They are trying to keep CPI inflation from getting grounded into expectations.

    Make no mistake about it…   A sufficiently motivated Central Bank can beat deflation every time.  It is mostly a question of how much they have to print in order to accomplish the goal.  Two important points to consider:

    First, if you look at previous serious deflations in the past, Gold and Silver did better than what they accomplished in highly inflationary periods.   The price of the precious metals may go down, but their purchasing power goes up.  This is because a deflationary period has a lot of defaults and bankruptcies in it and the precious metals do not have counter party risk.  That makes them a safe haven.

    The second point is the paper price of precious metals is too low right now for what is going on in the global financial system.  If the prices stay at current values for 4 or 5 months, you won’t be able to get physical metal.  It will all dry up.   If the price for silver gets knocked down to $15 per ounce, it won’t take a few months for the supplies to dry up.   If you are waiting for a lower price, and trying to time the bottom, that is fine.  But there is inherent risk of not actually being able to get the physical metal when you finally decide to pull the trigger.   It probably makes more sense to average in and save a little dry powder for the bottom just in case there is still a little metal available.

  30. HornDog How did you get your name? lol Just don’t give us the horn.

  31. WOW…. the Nasdaq.com article written by Martin Tiller is no longer working…. it brings you to the 404 page… First, they took down the SC treasury link and now they just scrubbed Martin Tiller’s work….. Something is really amiss here fellas.

  32. Ok, nevermind , please disregard my comment, the link that doc has is just not working…. I feel like a noob now. Someone take 5 coins away from me.

  33. I agree ich1baN, they’re most definitely on a sensorship and/or shut out drive, especially considering the attack that went down against the SD site earlier this week. They must be getting pretty desperate.

  34. No worries ich1baN

  35. I didn’t realize we had an attack? Is all the information safe on here? I am starting to wonder why sometimes it takes a while to load and I have a theory that the feds are tracking everything…… I dunno, I could be wrong though. I am pretty sure we are considered terrorists since we tend to love liberty, dislike big government intrusion, are anti-fractional reserve banking, anti-corporate banks, and are pro-honest money. Oh the pitfalls of free speech in an ever increasing sociopathic governance system.

  36. 1baN    give us a cool pic   you ROCK man!

     

    SB    shhhh—a silver girl never tells anything!

  37. YEAH!  

    Okay  1baN—ty    lol  okay  so who is that?

    A young James K Polk??? 

  38. ich1baN,
    Yeah, we stand for the truth. I’m sure they are watching but, hey, our forefathers were in the same position 250 years ago. Spread the word my brother, the socialists are coming, the socialists are coming. LOL.

  39.  HORNDOG WHY ARE YOU RUNNING AROUND ON THIS SITE FROM MAIN POST TO READERS FORUMS COINING YOUR SELF?????

    You are only making half ass stupid comments, playing your self as a woman with attempts to flirt with other readers in hopes for more coins and attention
    Yep never seen you before could vary well be a fat ugly dude trying to mess with the continuity of this site.
    I’ll even stretch that a bit more if you are not a troll please post a valid comment in regards to silver
  40. Whatever.

    Teach me to decide to start posting.

    Hey Doc… screw you—   was going to buy this week….but 427   shows what this site is really all about, how amny weeks was he at the top….   fine example of  the guys here    where is RAWDOG when ya need him???

  41. My thoughts exactly 427. Amazing. Could be one of the previous with a new name. Hopefully it’s just a newbie that don’t understand the rules.

  42. Easy guys. Carry on with the silver stuff. I agree with 427. This person came out of nowhere to have several posts coined when no one else had commented. While the coins are nice, they are not what this site is about.

    4 OZ. Ease up man. We need your most excellent info. here. I have a tremendous respect for your posts. Stack away. The DOC gives us the freedom to express our opinions and that is a plus for the site. Let your thoughts be your own but don’t blame the DOC. If there’s a problem, contact the DOC or anyone else and discuss. By the way, you do realize 4 oz. a week is twice my stacking. I’m jealous. LOL.

  43. Okay…  I’m a stacker…

    Anyone in her know what DILLIGAF   means??

    Sheesh….no wonder the Silver “Community”  is about the same as the church…..

  44. The market will never be allowed to sell off 3000-4000 points in 3 days.  Look up who Brian Sack is.  The plunge protection team is there to prevent this from happening.  Now, I agree we need a sell-off in the markets before more QE is implemented.  How can the FED come in with the DOW at 12,500 and the 10-year at 1.6%?  All the FED needs to do is keep the door open for QE.  The markets haven’t sold off because this reality of “hope” that the FED will always come in and save the markets with more QE.  They have driven all commodities down especially crude to 80 bucks.  More stimulus will push crude easily past 100 bucks.  This can’t happen just yet.  As for the metals, they are stuck for in a tight trading range.  I can see the metals being driven down another 10% with a sell-off in the markets. Gold could go under 1500 and silver to 23-24.  It really doesn’t matter short term.  I like the prices at these levels and I hope they drive prices down lower.  This is a long term position with the metals.  It all about dollar cost average and gaining more metal.  We all understand the global financial conditions and the manipulation in the metals.  Fundamentals have never been better for gold and silver and prices have dropped.  Who fucking cares!  Drive prices down in the teens for silver.  I will just buy more.  The end game hasn’t change one bit.  People hate JP Morgan.  I love them.  Keep shorting the shit out of silver.  If it wasn’t for bear stearns and now JP Morgans short positions, I would have been priced out of silver.  Keep up the good work JP Morgan and smash those prices.  Let’s hit single digits.

  45. HornDog Yes, we like pics of girls and names that don’t make sense, but please tell your handlers we ain’t that stupid. I think they need to send their dog for additional training. While you’re at it, tell them to go and fck themselves.

  46. You are right Two— and Doc I’m sorry I jumped on you—
    was just surprised at how peeps jumped on a newbie. Somehow was thinking we
    needed all the peeps we could get from any demographic that were on our
    side…..and here we are with regs dumping on ‘em…. anyway it was not
    your fault…. please forgive me. No excuse, but I work overnights and am
    pretty much worthless on Sundays….
  47. Sounds like a plausible scenario.  This silver bull is like the mechanical bull at Gilley’s turned up to 11.

  48. Good post Duckvision. You make some good points. Personally though, I think the FED will have no choice as the Euro will print to prevent a total collapse. People are tiring of the the FED “leaving the door open”. The Boy who cried wolf, if you will. Again, if the price drops in the teens, I don’t think you’ll find your LCS or the big dealers selling phyzz without a very high premium. We’ll see.

    No problem 4 OZ. Now, HornDog has been asked for a little explanation. Let’s see what happens. You are so very correct. We need all the info. we can get from the regulars and the Newbies. I think because we had a number of trolls here previously, everyone is really cautious. I have my suspicions but let’s give HD a chance to tells us a little something now. Thank you for the comment, carry on and keep stacking. (Still wish I could do 4 oz. a week).

  49. 4 oz I agree with you in regards to the peeps bit, but I just can’t help smelling a government rat. Maybe my gut feeling is wrong and I get to say sorry, but not today.

  50. As I also work a day job, I don’t typically have time to fully monitor the comments in these threads.

    That said, lets try to stay on topic guys.  We’ve provided the forums for the frivolous stuff or whatever topic you would like to create.

    #1 rule for posting should be does this info help inform or educate the rest of SD readers and users?

    The new SD site was designed to be a community enabling the readers to contribute their vast wisdom and experience of the markets with each other, making the knowledge available here much greater than just The Doc’s.   That’s why Bull Run & I spent many thousands of $$ out of our own pockets to develop the new site.

    Lets try to keep it that way and focus on contributing valuable thoughts and commentary regarding the metals and the markets.  Thanks!

  51. True to form DOC.

  52. Also, trolls tend to come out at extreme inflection points in the markets (as their confidence in themselves is overflowing).  If there’s something blatant posted by a ‘troll’ please email us to bring it to our attention, otherwise I’ve found by experience that simply ignoring the delta bravo user is by far better than confronting the individual, as the thread is instantly taken off-topic as everyone chooses sides and egos flare.   Lets try to stay on topic- the ‘trolls’ will soon disappear once the next bull leg is underway.

  53. 4oz;

    If you take the time to go read the post, every were. I meen EVERY WERE you will see what im talking about. I would love to see grater demographic hear at silver doctors. 
    But the ? is still there with me HE/SHE, STACKER/TROLL, hear to mess with the continuity of the site? Hear to brake Rules?
    As I said not one valid comment as of yet about silver stacking,
    Just oh baby I Love silver…. 
  54. Doc, I hear you. I will try to stay on topic and try to ignore the trolls.

  55. HornDog June 24, 2012 at 2:05 PM
    Okay…  I’m a stacker…
    Anyone in her know what DILLIGAF   means??
    Sheesh….no wonder the Silver “Community”  is about the same as the church…..
    Ya I know what it means!!!!!!
    DO I LOOK LIKE I GIVE A FUCK
    So in other words you are a troll
  56. Hey guys..

    I found this to confirm our prediction of the upcoming future of the existing dollar collapse –> http://www.euronews.com/2011/08/06/china-calls-for-new-world-currency/

    If this information doesnt put your mind at ease for having physical then I dont know what would.

     

     

  57. 2 oz, I agree that the EU needs to come up with a solution in a hurry.  The FED has open swap lines right now for the EU banks.  Look at the 10-year in Spain.  I think it’s at 6.33% after being over 7% recently.  How in the hell did that happen?  That is a big move after the disaster of a bailout plan of 100 billion for Spain.  I think the FED is in the market right now and providing liquidity to the European banks.  I have no proof of this but how did the rates fall this much?  With the subordination of the euro bonds, no way in hell did the private sector buy up all these Spanish bonds.  There is a stealth QE program going on in Europe.  The FED already got caught of a secret discount window of 16 trillion dollars in 2011.  The FED is more worried about the EU right now then the US markets.  5 largest US banks have huge exposure into EU sovereign bonds.  The FED can’t allow the EU to implode.  If Germany doesn’t step up and allow the eurobonds or more bailouts, the FED will come in.  They have no choice.  Rumors of a global financial bailout is coming with all central banks will print at the same time.  This makes sense since the currencies will not change if they all go down together.  This will provide a global steroid shot to all the markets.  Of course this won’t do shit long term, but it will kick the can down the road until we run out of road.  So many rumors are floating around.  Your guess is as good as mine but something soon needs to happen or we will have a meltdown within months.  Mario Monti said last week  that the euro has 1 week if they don’t figure this out.  Monti is just putting more pressure on Germany and Merkel to print but this is a important statement of the tensions of a possible meltdown.   George Soros said he give the euro 3 months to survive and that was said 2 weeks ago.  With the 16 downgraded banks that just happen this last week, you can feel the tension in the markets. 

  58. Trading in my fiat for PM’s every week no matter the conversion price… If it drops that low and there’s any available well surely I would love to grab some up… If not then I’m still ditching the fiat weekly to get what I can to add to the stack…

  59. Doc;

    Thanks for reposting my comments and questions to HornDog and not censoring it from the pages. At lest I thought I seen it removed a little bit ago and it’s now up again.
    All I did was to point out what I was seeing transpire on the pages throughout Silver Doctor. Presented question to HornDog, And called attention to her/he/it’s actions to other readers. In fact I was quit embarrassed for some.
    This was all going on while I was having a back and forth debate with Hunkered down. And then looked at the coin counts on the main page and thought it was strange for this individual to be gaining so much on the top ten bord. That took me to the forum board and then I knew what was going on.
    Sorry to all but I will present my questions as I did when I feel the site is being disrespected.
    Sorry to all but im just not that gullible. 
    Sorry to all I do not feel the need to sugar coat my questions & comment do to anybody’s avatar appearance.
    Sorry to all that I will speak out when I feel my intelligence is being question in anyway.
    Now if anybody would like to debate my view in this mater I would welcome it. That includes HornDog
    But Please let me change my avatar to something you will trip over your self on, ha ha ha ha      
  60. Yeah Duck,

    The FED is sliding the green to the Euro zone, no doubt.They’ll kick the can for sure but the can is so close the cliff it’s unreal. The Spanish bonds could not have come down that much without help. Unfortunately, those private individuals buying the bonds will get screwed. They will never be paid IMO. Without government intervention of some kind, those bonds should be well over 7%. Time grows shorter. Keep posting and stacking.

    Thanks for the link Argintus. Fascinating to say the least. I’m glad I’m stacking.

  61. Right on 427

  62. 2 oz, the road is going to end soon.  It should have ended in 2008.  The subordination of the bonds is a major event.  This just killed the private sector involvement.  This why zerohedge keeps talking about the hedge funds going long on the UK-Law bonds and buying CDS against the regular sovereign bonds.  UK-Law bonds can’t be subordinated because of how they are written.  The ECB can’t force a write down on the UK-Law bonds.  This is even more proof that someone is in the bond market like the FED.  To drive down rates from 6.33% from 7% would take billions of euros to buy up the bonds.  Who in the hell would want to buy the sovereign bonds if you will be subordinated and forced to take a haircut?  Also, who in the hell would want to have Spanish bonds on their balance sheets.  This is why the ECB just said “fuck you” to the rating agencies this week.  The banks are holding all this toxic shit on their balance sheet and has zero collateral left.  Now, the ECB can mark to market whatever they want  for collateral.  This is totally criminal and just represents more desperation to keep the system going.  The LTRO was a complete failure and screwed the banks over.  It stripped all their good assets and gave it to the ECB to get liquidity at zero%.  This created a stigma of the banks and exposed their balance sheets.  All these interventions are falling apart and has done nothing to stop the meltdown.  The central banks have no solutions.  I agree 2 oz, the time is getting shorter by the day for the big global meltdown.

  63. DuckVision said:

    All these interventions are falling apart and has done nothing to stop
    the meltdown.  The central banks have no solutions.  I agree 2 oz, the
    time is getting shorter by the day for the big global meltdown.

    They do have a solution, they are just waiting until there is political cover to use it.  Have you noticed no Central Bank is doing anything to stimulate their local economy any more?   Pretty soon, we are going to see them all print in unison.   And instead of a melt down, we are going to have a melt up.

    Assets of all kinds will go up in price along with the prices you pay for everything in the stores.

    Actually, there is one other solution, but they don’t want to do it.   They could do a one-time re-evaluation of the gold price to a number big enough every sovereign government is solvent again.   If they did that, they would still have the huge liabilities they have, but they would have offsetting assets to cover the liabilities.     It is possible they go that route instead but it is a lower probability.

    Either way, precious metals go up in value.

  64. “So everyone that thinks they will wait and buy physical silver at $18 an ounce will have a very nasty surprise waiting for them.  Probably by the time they would have access to any sizable amount of money to buy physical the price and supply will be very tight.” – PowerBall

    Agreed, PB.  Just because a manipulated price drops to a low level does not mean that ANY physical metal would be available.  Would any of us sell at that price, barring a balls-out emergency?  Nope.
    “There will surely be scoffers and I will take quite some heat on it but that is precisely what I do best (take the heat)” – Marshall
    Not to worry, Marshall.  Can’t say that I agree with ALL of your article but will say that it was thoughtful and well done.  Good food for thought, as it were, so no pine cones chucked at your head from this direction!  ;-)
    “Once gold and silver reach the peak, then we take a few silver coins and…”
    If past history is ANY kind of guide, we won’t know when the peak is reached.  Just as dollar cost averaging works well when stacking, though, so does dollar cost selling when making use of all that new-found purchasing power.
    “ If you are waiting for a lower price, and trying to time the bottom, that is fine.  But there is inherent risk of not actually being able to get the physical metal when you finally decide to pull the trigger.   It probably makes more sense to average in and save a little dry powder for the bottom just in case there is still a little metal available.”
    Timing rarely ever works all that well.  When it seems to be working is when plain old dumb luck is in play.  Yeah, just because prices are low does not mean that any metal will be available for purchase.  Averaging in and out likely works about as well as anything will and dry powder is often very handy.  Keep some cash on hand in case those banks are TU when you need money.  If we have money, both fiat and REAL money, deflation is a lot less of a problem.  Heh heh…
  65. The Perth Mint sent this information out last Friday: http://node3.au.trclient.com/1/online/18218263-60.html

    “Demand Explodes for Small Silver Coins”

    I hope this gives further succour to those who have bought silver at $35+ as we see our investment value raped by JPM. Is there any other instance in history where ‘exploding demand’ has lead to a dramatic drop in price? Not that I am aware of. It makes me feel a little sick and powerless. I have never been very good at making money so to ‘cope’ with my lack of confidence and the manipulations of this market I regard my PM as long term superannuation. It will still be there in 10 years, unchanged, maybe a little tarnished, and hopefully, will not be converted to doorstops.

     

  66. Okay, HornDog, you got it. That photo isn’t as alluring as yours, but it catches my essence.

  67. BSS Interesting update.

  68. Avatar of Got Goldies says:

    What a load of crap. However wrote this is delusional, and so are all you sheep that follow this foolosophy.

    Here is the truth.

    All you dumbasses that live in this fantassy world desearv wahat you get.

    All your posts are mined into a datta base. They know who you are and where you live and who your family and freinds are.

    You stupid sons of bithches are going to camp.

    Jake will be there, won’t you Jake. Yeaah

     

  69. Avatar of Got Goldies says:

    this info should and will help inform or educate the rest of SD readers and users.

  70. GG if you’re correct then it’s too late for us no matter how far we carry on so what’s your point and who are you trying to educate?

  71. WHAT THE FUCK WE ARE GETTING BOMB BARDED WITH TROLLS THIS SUNDAY

  72. Hunkered down,   Japan has printed trillions of yen.  The swap lines from the FED and the continuing of Operation Twist and buying the MBS.  LTRO in Europe.  Rate cuts in China.  UK will print and will cut rates.   There are many operations going on in the world to try to stop the momentum of the meltdown.    Do you mean liquidity in the system to stimulate growth like QE?  We just had a 100 billion euro bailout in Spain last week.  Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, and France will need bailouts.   All collateral is dried up in Europe.  I agree with you that a global QE could happen with all the central banks printing at the same time.  There are many rumors going around right now that something is being formulated.  I just don’t see the FED coming in the US markets to ramp up the stock market right now.  Not at these levels.  Not before the election.  A debt jubilee isn’t in play just yet.   The debt ceiling has to be raised before the election and that alone is a big deal for Obama and democrats.  This will cause huge disruptions and possible more downgrades for the US.  More QE just puts more debt onto the books.  This is why the rating agencies got the finger by the EU.  Soon, the US will do the same with the rating agencies.  Gold will play a huge role in the future.  What level of price does gold have to be re-valued at?  IMO, it would be around 15-20k a ounce if you look at global money supply(M3).  China is holding all the cards.  They are stripping the western banks of their gold on a daily basis.  Jim Willie said China has taken 5000 metric tons from the western vaults.  Not sure if that is true but I believe China is suppressing the price to accumulate  more physical at lower prices.   We should all follow the footsteps of what the BRICS are doing.  They will be the major players in global finance.  If they believe in the metals, then that is where I want to be.  I do believe in the hyperinflation scenario that you said but we are currently in a deflationary period within the global system.  More liquidity will be provided but IMO the FED will hold off until the markets sell of 10%.  I think it will be a slow burn by the markets on the downside during the election.  All bets are off after that.  Something has to happen in the EU soon.  That is why I think the FED is already in the market without making it public.  They did the same thing when they got caught with their discount window to the banks.  I think those swap lines are open right now to EU banks to buy sovereign bonds.  The FED won’t admit to it until they get caught again.  Why admit QE if you don’t have to especially during a election year.?

  73. Lets just stay on topic 427 like The Doc asked us to. GG can type whatever but it’s really none of our concern. It’s just a waste of time trying to teach a pig to sing and besides it didn’t come here to learn anyway.

  74. Thanks for the vid bull lion.   And I agree and hold     The chips are falling 

  75. Thanks for the vid bull lion.   And I agree hold     The chips are falling 

  76. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    HAHa JAkedoosh will lead the way !  This post is bullshit. It make absolutely no sense at all. Jake will be here at some point to call people trolls, and lead his click to the slaughter. What a homo. 

  77. I have been buying silver/gold since 2008. My better half has retired and is taking the hit on taxes to keep her cash payout. She will be buying silver/gold with the cash. The question I have is, has anyone every randomly checked their silver eagles and tested them with the old drill and nitric acid test?

  78. Okay—So after reading this about 4 times I think  get the following from this article:

    (Paper?)-Silver will crash to $15, leaving physical to drop to some other price?—Or to drop with it?. Then, once paper pricing of physical is “done”, physical rockets? Or does the paper price rise back with physical? You said “FIAT COLLAPSES”—so I’m guessing this is the dollar?—Or do you think paper pricing such as the Comex collapses?

    Marshall–Are you saying that we’ll have a 2008 style drop and bounce back?

    Okay—now—let me see if I can contribute my take on this:

    I believe we are on the verge of a rally in silver and gold something like a subdued mini-version of the rally seen in July-Aug 2010. I don’t see any indication of the short-term demise of the dollar, or the short-term demise of paper pricing for silver/gold. I also don’t believe manipulation is ever going to stop.

    In fact, I believe manipulation has been strengthened as indicated by the absence of any scrutiny on JPM or CFTC on any banksters. The rest of the world hasn’t yet spiraled into collapse, namely the Euro countries. This only fuels the short term price of the dollar. Japan and China continue to slow, This also helps the dollar short term.

    Frankly I expect the dollar to drop after QE3 is implemented, but it may rise to 90 before we see any trend change. My guesses here are supported by temporary fixes in Greece and in Spain after we go Full Monti to supply them with fresh cash supporting the Euro.

    Your crash of silver scenario suggests we allow a crisis to be generated by the FED only to beg them, say in September, for QE3. But this is an election year where the elites want to avoid these kind of calamities again. I don’t think the outcome in 2008 resulted in what they wanted. They don’t have but one more QE left for right now. After this next one, they’ll need to kick the can down the road at least two more years before they’ll have to try again.

    We may have a drop, but I just can’t see $15. Guessing paper prices is a waste of time anyway

    This notion then, that we see some “rocket” to $1000 is another one of these scenarios that is just too difficult to justify given what I just outlined here. We still can print currency and The Ben Bernank will print! But the manipulation just continues. So, with that, I think we see a rally—I’ll guess to $37 by the end of the year, having seen a low of $25. The dollar rises to 90 by Sept. 13th.

    We then see QE3—Right before the election as I have been saying all along. Although I said, I don’t know anything more than anyone else about this, I’m still sticking to the basic ideas that we must see a manufactured crisis, we will see QE3 and we are generally in a deflationary short-term cycle that the Fed will reverse with QE3 in just a few months.

    As for the commercials trying to cover their shorts so that they’ll either by on a 1:1 par with their longs or even net long, I just don’t buy it. They will increase their shorts into a price rise. If we see a drop to $25, we may see a slight drop below where we are now, but they aren’t compelled to do anything by any authority. No regulations means the Fox is guarding the hen house with reckless abandon.

  79. 40oz;

    Agreed but point them out for other readers. And don’t ask them questions thats what they want you to do with there derogatory comments. When the do reply to your question you asked them. Just say thank you I’ll take a look at that. End of story 
  80. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Think the Doc and Jake are helping you?

    Then why are they pushing silver on all you fools at $27 when it will soon be $15?
    $ 1000 / $27 = 37 ounces
    $ 1000 / $15 = 66 ounces
    Which one do you want?
    If Doc and Jake were your saviors, they would tell you to wait till its 15 bucks. But nooooo, all sales are way up here at 26-30 $ range.
  81. There the other troll Eddie77 the whole family is hear today.

  82. duckvision

    said:

    Hunkered down,  
    Japan has printed trillions of yen.  The swap lines from the FED and the
    continuing of Operation Twist and buying the MBS.  LTRO in Europe. 
    Rate cuts in China.  UK will print and will cut rates.   There are many
    operations going on in the world to try to stop the momentum of the
    meltdown.    Do you mean liquidity in the system to stimulate growth
    like QE?  We just had a 100 billion euro bailout in Spain last week. 
    Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, and France will need bailouts.  
    All collateral is dried up in Europe.  I agree with you that a global
    QE could happen with all the central banks printing at the same time.

    Yes, the bailouts continue.  But consider the sizes of them.   For example, the $125 billion Spainish bank bailout.    Two comments on that.  First, nobody can tell you where that money is going to come from let alone what unintended consequences it will have (thing subordination of existing debt).    But the other issue with it is it is a popcorn fart.   Spanish banks have to roll north of $600 euros of debt just in 2012.   There is no way they can get that money.   So if somehow the $125 billion can be funded, it just buys them a few months.

    And you are right about the collateral being all dried up.   It sure looks like there aren’t any ‘Money Good’ assets over there to leverage.   We are getting pretty close to the Minksy Moment for the Euro.

  83. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    427, If you were so smart, you would know how to spell simple words. I am taking absolutely 0 finance wisdom from you. Go to first grade again.

  84. Aye Bull Lion that video makes me proud to be a Scotsman.
    HOLD! HOLD! HOLD! and STACK! STACK! STACK!

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  85. Again I already did it twice

  86. nice legs M45 lol I ment the dogs

  87. M45; 

    then if liked the above clip you will like how a Scotsman honors his fallen brother
  88. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Jakedoosh, Superspeller 427,  Here is a question for all you bad asses..

    The dollar has had nothing but inflation since 1913. By way of fractional reserve banking, printing, ect.
    You call the value of an asset (Ag)  at $500 – $1000 after the crash of the dollar. Yet the very currency you call the value of the asset in, is the same one that has just crashed. Therefore the valuation of the asset will not be measured in the dollar, but in the currency implemented following the dollar. Therefore the valuation of the asset, must in turn be worthwhile to the holder in terms of goods and services. So, if the price of the asset has been inflated simply because the dollar has been inflated, the notion that you are already paying too much for said asset is valid.
    Rebuttal?
  89. WOW! GTRS knocking on 59:1

  90. The banks are in big trouble with their silver shorts. In less than a week, they will have to face those July contracts, and there are still 150 million oz standing.
    This evening at the first trade that hit the board, they went right back to the shorting, desperate to frighten off those stalwart longs Harvey writes about every day.
    The beatings continue, the bears are here to lead the funeral dirge, and I am going out to flip the burgers and pop a top. Ya’ll stay cool.

  91. Hunkered  down,   Funny Nigel Farage  had a awesome video explaining how the ECB came up with the money for Spain.  Italy, who is flat broke, sold some bonds at 7% and then gave the money to Spain at 3%.  Makes a lot of sense?  It’s all bullshit!  Mark Grant has been talking about the ESM and it can’t be used for a bailout because it doesn’t exist.   Spain needs 350-400 billion euros just to recap the banks.  That doesn’t even count the 600 billion euros you talked about to roll over.  The Spanish real estate market is done and went down another 25% this year.  This is killing the banks even more.  EFSF doesn’t have enough funds in it either, so that isn’t going to help the EU for all the bailouts.  I totally agree with you on the subordination of the bonds.  This kills the PSI and future bond buying.  Most of the bonds will need to bought by the banks and the ECB.  This is ruining their balance sheets and exposing them even more.  The 100-125 billion euro can kick for Spain, just like you said, just buys a few weeks or months.  Nothing was solved but it made it worse.  Now Spain has 13% more debt with this bailout.

    The only question that needs to be answered is Germany willing to go all in.  Will Merkel sell out her people and allow eurobonds or just print unlimited amounts of money.  The German constitution will not permit this but they have already broke so many laws anyways.  They EU has already broke the Maastricht Treaty so what is the difference.  I think Germany could be the first to go out of the EU before all the bailouts happen.  The problem with that is German banks are heavily exposed in sovereign bonds.  Deutsche Bank will go under if Germany leaves the euro.  Jim Willie thinks Deutsche Bank is done anyways because of their credit default swaps and derivative book.  Tough call and I’m on the fence about Germany.  What do you think?

  92. Ha Ha your vary funny Eddie; 

    to save you face I’ll only comment on the first thing that came out of your mouth. The rest of you rant I leave for Jakedoosh.
    Eddie Said
    The dollar has had nothing but inflation since 1913.
    Wrong the dollar has not inflated at all, How can it inflate? The fact that everything that one would buy with the dollar has inflated. That leaves you with the dollar devaluating MEANING defatting in value.
  93. Doc

    I bought my first PM`s in 1978. I have never sold. If silver gets anywhere near $15.00, regardless of the reason:  EXPEND ALL REMAINING

  94. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    That is a true statement as well, You are just looking at the other side of the purchase transaction.

  95. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    427-  The currency itself and the purchasing power of the currency are two different things. Leave it to Jake cause you don’t know what the f*** you are talking about. Answer the full question… if you dare.

  96. Duck_Vision asked:

    What do you think?

    I think it is all going to come down.   But the problem is they keep pulling rabbits out of the hat.  It is very difficult to predict how things unfold from here.   Does Germany stay in the Euro or leave?  I don’t know.  But either path is going to cause huge amounts of turmoil.   Do the Spanish banks (and then the French and Italian  banks) default or does the ECB prop them up?   I don’t know.  But either path is going to be very chaotic.

    One thing you can bet on is this:  Eventually, they are going to reach into the hat to pull out a rabbit and they are going to pull out an alligator.   The problem is, you don’t know when that is going to happen.   But with them reaching in the hat more and more often, it is likely to happen sooner rather than later.  When the ECB did the first LTRO funding for the banks everybody thought it would buy them at least 18 months because the funding was for 3 years.  The first LTRO bought them less than 6 months.   The second LTRO bought them less than 2 months.   They don’t even dare do a 3rd LTRO.   They need to reach in the hat but they are scared to do it.

    We are in what mathematicians call an ‘Optimum Situation’.   This is as good as it gets.   It is all downhill from here!  :)

    People are still writing about the Great Depression of 1929.   We are getting to live through something at least an order of magnitude bigger than that.  People will be writing about this for at least 100 years if not 500 years.

  97. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    427-  Or you can just wait for Jakedoosh to answer, and then back up whatever the hell he comes up with. I want your thoughts…. Go for it!!  

  98. Eddie Said,

    The dollar has had nothing but inflation since 1913
    I Said
    Ha Ha your vary funny Eddie; 
    to save you face I’ll only comment on the first thing that came out of your mouth. The rest of you rant I leave for Jakedoosh.
    Eddie Said
    The dollar has had nothing but inflation since 1913.
    Wrong the dollar has not inflated at all, How can it inflate? The fact that everything that one would buy with the dollar has inflated. That leaves you with the dollar devaluating MEANING defatting in value.
    Eddie said
    That is a true statement as well, You are just looking at the other side of the purchase transaction.
    Eddie then said
    427-  The currency itself and the purchasing power of the currency are two different things. Leave it to Jake cause you don’t know what the f*** you are talking about. Answer the full question… if you dare.
    I said
    Do you what to change your statement? You can go do some more reading and come back hear with the proper termanology? Then maybe others could understand what your trying to convey. Because what ever is locked up in your peanut brain is not what ended up in righting. 
  99. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Actually I do not need to change the statement. You just do not have a clue of what I said or you would be debating. Instead you just insult me. You have successfully exposed yourself as an idiot. Good job. Need proof?  Here it is…

    You spell = hear, termanology, righting.
    Proper spelling as used is = here, terminology, writing.
     And you are telling ME about proper terminology?? 
     
    Listen to whatever Jakedoosh says… Fool.
    Being an automaton will get you nowhere.
  100. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Jakedoosh will be here soon to make a statement that you can fall in line with. Then you can go give him a tug job. Follower.

  101. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Maibe yoo wil undrstand thiss beter. Yoo aar rong.

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    I feel for you Eddie77 and I’m serious about that but I don’t think you’ll care for some reason. Your one
    of the nastiest people I’ve ever encountered on any of the forums I’m on and if
    you’re working tonight I hope your employer doesn’t catch you on the computer
    and fires you but you probably deserve it for not giving a full shift for the
    wages they pay you.

    If you want to harass 427 and Jake then please send them an e-mail and let the other
    folk and I enjoy our thread. Thanks

  103. Ok Troll wate right here I’ll go get Jakedoosh. 

    Because I do not speak your Troll Riddles.
  104. Hunkered down,   ‘Optimum Situation’ I really like that.  I need to use that term.  This debt vortex is sucking everything in it’s path.  No solution to this problem and I agree that the Great Depression won’t compare to the depression we are about to face.  This global meltdown will be one for the ages.  You can already hear the war machines warming up in the middle east.  I can handle a little social unrest here in the states but a full on WW3 scenario scares the shit out of me.  The latest news that Syria took down a Turkish plane on Friday just smells like a false flag.  With the election results from Egypt, the Arab spring is going to come back full tilt.  Iran is getting kick out of SWIFT in a week.  The Western world is in trouble and they need a war very soon.    There is a global awakening to trade outside the dollar.  China and Russia are leading the way.  This is setting up for a huge battle.  Putin and Obama didn’t look too happy in there recent meeting.  The body language was very negative.  Financial wars turn into world wars.  All the chess pieces are being put into place and it doesn’t look good for humanity. 

    I agree the half life of all these interventions, programs, and bailouts don’t last very long.  1 trillion dollar stimulus won’t plug all the holes.  When you have a OTC derivative market of 1.4 quadtrillion dollars, what is the point of trying to save this system?  When the US has 100 trillion of unfunded liabilities in social security, medicare, and medicaid, how is that ever going to be funded?  The math just doesn’t scratch with any of these debt levels.  The system has to collapse.  I will use your term ‘Optimum Situation.’  It will make me sound smart.

  105. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Ummm, if you look at the thread, I was not the aggressor. Simply a defense mechanism used when provoked. I have been attacked all week. Go scold 427.

  106. I’d just like to say thnx to all the regular contributors on the sd site and to doc and his team, although there’s a certain amount of technical stuff i may not fully understand, i have learnt a great deal from you guys and your experiance and opinions are of great value, it took me a while to get into pm’s but it was listening to bob chapman (R.I.P) and max keiser that originally made me do my own research b4 jumping in.

    I joined the sd shortly b4 this upgraded site, i’d also like to say thnx 2 the trolls for simply renforcing my beliefs and decision to enter into pm’s.

    Right from the start i decided i would buy what i could when i could and hold, hold, hold, acumilate and hold, if that means holding for 9 yrs or until i retire then so be it, full comitment, no surrender, no retreat.

    As for one comment on this thread about being tracked and knowing who we all are ect? well yeah that may be, but if they come a knocking what they gonna do? cause be it large or small by that time, they aren’t gonna find my stack!

  107. Duck_Vision said:
      ‘Optimum Situation’ I really like that.  I need to use that
    term.  This debt vortex is sucking everything in it’s path. 

    Yeah…  I know…  It is kind of a sick sense of humor.   But it is true.  Things are optimum.  They can’t get any better than this!   :)

    Duck_Vision said:

    You can already hear the war machines warming up in the
    middle east.  I can handle a little social unrest here in the states but
    a full on WW3 scenario scares the shit out of me.  The latest news that
    Syria took down a Turkish plane on Friday just smells like a false
    flag. 

    Nobody trusts the government and with good cause.  This is just like something they would do.   But it is also possible that Syria did it on purpose because if they can provoke a war Russia and China will be there doing the actual fighting and their civil war problems fade into the back ground.

    It is a mess.

    Duck_Vision said:

    With the election results from Egypt, the Arab spring is going to
    come back full tilt.  Iran is getting kick out of SWIFT in a week.  The
    Western world is in trouble and they need a war very soon.    There is a
    global awakening to trade outside the dollar.  China and Russia are
    leading the way. 

    The USA miscalculated on the SWIFT issue.  It legitimized gold in extremes.  

    Duck_Vision said:

    Duck_Vision said:

    I
    agree the half life of all these interventions, programs, and bailouts
    don’t last very long.  1 trillion dollar stimulus won’t plug all the
    holes.  When you have a OTC derivative market of 1.4 quadtrillion
    dollars, what is the point of trying to save this system?  When the US
    has 100 trillion of unfunded liabilities in social security, medicare,
    and medicaid, how is that ever going to be funded?  The math just
    doesn’t scratch with any of these debt levels.  The system has to
    collapse.

    Agreed…  The $64 question is when?   They keep pulling rabbits out of the hat, but nothing ever changes.

    The derivatives implosion may have started.   I guess we will know more in 6 weeks.  But Morgan Stanley is moving a whole truck load of derivatives to their FDIC insured branches to protect them against needing more collateral.  The reason they don’t need more collateral if that is done is because derivatives are in front of depositors for protection.   And according to Jim Sinclair:

    Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

    There is a big problem brewing again in the OTC derivative market.

    A major international financial auditing firm is currently involved
    in a massive project on Wall Street that presently has over 900+
    consultants involved, which is massive and beyond even the size/scope of
    the Fannie Mae restatement several years ago. They’re grabbing any
    senior financial analyst and software expert that they can to help this
    “unnamed” major Wall Street bank calculate valuations for a suddenly
    devaluing portfolio of Credit Default Obligations that they have heavily
    invested in. This auditing firm is charging nearly double their normal
    billing rate and is getting it, no questions asked.


  108. like the braveheart clips, if wallace were alive today the rumours might be that, “william wallace is 6ft tall and if he were here he’d consume the bankers with balls of gold from his eye’s and bolts of silver from his arse!”

    or perhaps that’s a  max keiser parody in the making :)

  109. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    427- You do not speak to my “troll riddle” because you do not understand them. Face it. Other wise you would be more than willing to berate me, as shown in prior posts.

  110. Well said Silverwulf;

    And you are right in your views witch makes you a direct asset to silver doctors.
  111. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    427- If you do not understand my question, why don’t you humble yourself and ask me to explain it instead of calling me a troll all day and insulting me? I will post it below again for you to comprehend. Thank you.

  112. Hunkered Down,   About Jim Sinclair’s commentary.  I read that today.  It was very telling that something is up.  ISDA will be busy ruling that none of these CDS will be paid out for all these derivatives.  Just like what they did with the Greek bailout.  A write down isn’t a default according to the ISDA so the CDS can’t be triggered.  That is a joke of a market.  ISDA’s members are from the same banks that are over leveraged in the OTC derivative market.  Why would they ever rule against themselves.  The subordination of the bonds is bad enough, but when the ISDA said no trigger of the CDS, this should have killed all derivatives.  If CDS become worthless, is it really a hedge?  Maybe that is why JP Morgan had to hedge a hedge because they were told that the CDS market will never pay out.  Morgan Stanley is the next Lehman.  They are the weakest of the big commercials.  They have over 50 trillion in interest rate swaps.  I agree, cracks are showing and something is up.

  113. Avatar of Eddie77 says:


    The dollar has had nothing but inflation since 1913. By way of fractional reserve banking, printing, ect.
    You call the value of an asset (Ag)  at $500 – $1000 after the crash of the dollar. Yet the very currency you call the value of the asset in, is the same one that has just crashed. Therefore the valuation of the asset will not be measured in the dollar, but in the currency implemented following the dollar. Therefore the valuation of the asset, must in turn be worthwhile to the holder in terms of goods and services. So, if the price of the asset has been inflated simply because the dollar has been inflated, the notion that you are already paying too much for said asset is valid.
    Rebuttal?
  114. 427- Nice rebuttal.

  115. ————Note to all————–

    Now someone else has access to my profile page to change my profile picture at will. This kinda concerns me as I did not put this photo as my avatar. What gives? This forum is very bias. I will keep this avatar in protest, I care not how you insult me, my ideas are pertinent. Big love to the open minds, you will excel.
  116. I plan on debating here permanently. To both gain and give knowledge. If you do not see me, its because I have been deleted against my will. Then you will know the true nature of this forum. xoxo Jake has already called openly for my deletion, rather than debate.

  117. Yes Eddie77- –NOTE TO ALL– as this is my site, I can change your profile picture at will.  Or delete you as you imply if necessary.
    Your troll avatar is instigating further disruption of the community here so I have removed it.
    Perhaps this would make a better avatar for someone with a handle of Eddie?

    If you would truly like to gain and share knowledge with other readers, please do so.

    If you only wish to engage in delta-bravo insulting arguments with the readers here, that is benefiting no one and is seriously detracting from the educational group experience here.

    -Doc

  118. Jake,

    Just to briefly answer your question, I expect the price to continue to drift down as JPM tries to unwind its short position.  
    It has to.
    Only other way for them to get out is for a lot of long buyers to suddenly believe there is a bottom and jump in otherwise Morgan is stuck with the short positions and the losses mount and there is no way out of them.
    I will explain more when I actually write the articles ;)
  119. Have you put a proper scolding on your other members who engage in insulting arguments? Jake & 427? Maybe you should enforce equally, as well as let one choose his own avatar.

  120. I will abide with your ruling. You know that pic is a way to poke fun at me. Perhaps you can answer my question as prior readers could not.

    The dollar has had nothing but inflation since 1913. By way of fractional reserve banking, printing, ect.
    You call the value of an asset (Ag)  at $500 – $1000 after the crash of the dollar. Yet the very currency you call the value of the asset in, is the same one that has just crashed. Therefore the valuation of the asset will not be measured in the dollar, but in the currency implemented following the dollar. Therefore the valuation of the asset, must in turn be worthwhile to the holder in terms of goods and services. So, if the price of the asset has been inflated simply because the dollar has been inflated, the notion that you are already paying too much for said asset is valid.
    Rebuttal?
  121. Doc I like this avatar better.

  122. DOC-  We will all now see your true colors. 

    1. Will 427 be scolded to cease insults of members as I was?
    2. Will the gang mentality experienced by me as well as others here, prevail?
    There are many here who attack any thought not going with the flow of status quo. This does not support the free form needed to learn. It only allows a single train of thought.
  123. Eddie, as to your question, you are correct.  I believe Marshall (who wrote the article) meant $500-$1,000 based on the current value a dollar can purchase.

    I see gold and silver appreciating substantially vs other tangible assets such as real estate, automobiles, and paper assets such as stocks and bonds, etc during a currency crisis- as they have done in all other currency crises/ hyperinflations throughout history.

    And 427 lets cut Eddie some slack and see if he can play by the rules.

  124. Doc; 

    Maybe this one fits better

    Cartman Respect My Authoritah 

  125. To clarify..

    If you look at 100 year silver data, noting the yearly average price. One can see the silver price stays fairly stagnant until the gold window was closed by Nixon on 8/15/71. From here, one will notice slight increases on an annual basis with few exceptions. This is where the real inflation began. Then note the spikes in silver price occurring with TARP, QE1 & QE2. These spikes are in accordance with the flood of paper entering the market. Is it possible that the silver could also hold a synthetic price as it has only risen due to overwhelming inflation, leaving the true purchasing power of the precious metal in goods and services somewhere in the 5-25 USD range.  Remember, in hyperinflation, the currency is still in there, but weak. More in terms of no USD at all.
  126. I did that already Doc quite extensively and could repost them. but it dose no good. He has been throwing a tantrum since you your self asked him to at least read the article prior to commenting with anti silver redirect. Late night on the 21st I open up communication

    after Eddie went through a 14 hour long tantrum. Hear you go. 
    427 June 21, 2012 at 10:15 PMEDDIE
    See how that worked, I made a statement. You challenged it, I backed it up. You could still challenge the post I referred you to. As far as your question of SBSS I did not know what context it was from. I looked in other comments and nobody referred to that. I googled and gave you a bunch of acronyms to chose from.
    Eddie77 June 21, 2012 at 10:22 PMDont start being a smart ass. You dont know it all. Even Chris Duane has many many good points, just this one is bad. You dont want to be full of yourself too, do ya?  I ll back up any statement I made? Which one needs clarification?
    427 June 21, 2012 at 10:41 PMHay I don’t know I came home you all had a spat going. But the fingers were pointing at you telling you to back up you statements. In stead of backing statements up you through a bunch of shit out, shit on and everything but facts.
    And if you think by me making my last statement was being a smart ass. I know now what everybody was dealing with. I just pointed out how to communicate hear and I was being nice to you. I have been trying to reply to your questions.
    Now is it me you want to start in with?
    Eddie77 June 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM
    Not at all. I just fell attacked from all sides. You telling me ” See how that worked” i thought you were coming down on me too. Sorry.


    427 June 21, 2012 at 11:42 PM
    No just short sweet and simple. “Make statement, if challenged back it up, or be a big man and just say I might have been wrong. We would not have 93 comment in this tread 80% bull shit, blocking proper transfer of information and education. And if your going to come into a site and fight with everybody that dosent help anything. I my self have only been on this site for a short time. However mostly everybody treats me with lots of love. I share most of the views of this sit and suport it as such. The Doc puts post up I may not agree with like the Chris Duane post I linked you to and I had heated debates over it. Some thought I was wrong, but nobody that mattered to me. I feel wording is important, see how I said “I feel” or “My opinion” “I could be wrong but I feel silver will drop to the $25s because da da da. Or, Silver is going to drop to the $25s and everybody should wate to buy. Witch statement is going to be challenged?
    Anyway big men use thank you, big men lissen, big men own there own faults and mistakes, big men apologize, big men continue to grow every day with communication.
    Now this is my opinion and how I feel. It’s not open to debate, if it helps you cool. If you want to look at it as an insult I can not help that, it is not ment to be.
    PS: I like the bag over you head better.
    Eddie77 June 22, 2012 at 12:11 AMWell its more this punk JAke. All a sudden hes callin me a troll. then Im a roach and a weed and all kinda 4th grade insults. No facts tho.
    427 June 22, 2012 at 1:35 AM427 June 22, 2012 at 1:31 AMEddie it all most likely started hear. You decided when it was pointed out to you that you were wrong instead of admitting it you took up a fighting stance. On top of that you decided to hook your cart to a jack ass “ILUVPMs” who only shows up commenting when silver gets a hard smack down and says I told you so, Im right, Im right, Put it this way The Doc hardly ever comments with in a post. He replied  to your question, and then again because it was blatant that you all did not correctly read the article.
    Now my feelings in this matter. If I were you I would just apologize to the Doc and the SD readers for tarring up all the treads today. That you got mad with out cause and etcetera etcetera. I would also not hook my cart to ILUVPMs when he pops in. We are stackers hear (mostly) Jake was in trading, no longer it make him sick. ILUVPMs is marked hear as a troll we all tried working with him/her like this but they never fail to disappoint with there bull shit. This is why Jake called you a troll, you wanted an alie but picked the wrong one. Then you decided in the name calling so your the only one who can right the wrongs at this point. You would be surprised how big men are received hear at silver doctors. 
    ILUVPMs June 21, 2012 at 11:32 AMphysical silver is available everywhere… i don’t know why you say its hard to get…. Aren’t you selling it doc??? do you find it hard to get??


    Eddie77 June 21, 2012 at 11:45 AMThats true Doc. How can it be so hard to find if you constantly have specials for “ANY QUANTITY”?
    The Doc June 21, 2012 at 11:49 AMThe specials for ‘any quantity’ refer to the fact that we are temporarily reducing our minimum order requirements from 40 ounces to any quantity.  Meaning you can order 2 or 3 ounces.  
    This does not mean we have the capability of sourcing 500 million ounces, or any quantity of silver to infinity. 
    Yes, supply has definitely tightened over the past few weeks, our suppliers are close to being totally out of several products, however others are adequately in supply currently.  Again, these are retail products we are discussing here however. 
    -Doc

    The Doc June 21, 2012 at 11:54 AMand ILUV and Eddie, did you even READ the article?  SRS was not discussing retail silver shortages, he is stating the opposite fact, that retail investors have SLOWED their purchases of silver because they are dumber than a box of rocks and believe the MSM MOPE that everything will be fine forever, and that those who wait for the collapse to purchase their PM’s will be shut out of the market. 
    At least read the article before leaving your anti-silver rhetoric.
    Eddie77 June 21, 2012 at 12:45 PMYou guys are quick to jump on a guy huh. If I was not into reading about silver, why the hell am I here then? You use generalities in your statements to inject urgency. Why the hell would one not time the market? There has been break after break over the last 40 days. One could accumulate multiple times the silver than at the higher price. Timing is everything. Otherwise there is no reason to buy the dips.  If we are in a downward trend for the last 40 days, then the horizon only shows cheaper pricing.
    Danno June 21, 2012 at 12:23 PMDid anyone read the article? Doc didn’t write it and there is no talk anywhere of shortages of silver… The article talks of how the small investor is buying less Silver eagles and Canadian silver and gold… Iluvmyself and Eddie, go back and read the article… You tell the rest of us where it says ANYTHING about silver is in a shortage…. The only thing stated is that one day there may come a time that you may not be able to purchase metals with any amount of fiat… Get your facts straight before you start a pissing contest… And maybe bring something bigger than a mixed drink straw to piss with…
    Jake June 21, 2012 at 5:52 PM
    ILUVPMS SAYS, 
    “A lot of these people tjhjink that publishing articles and talking about them all the time will help them with their investments. They need the feel good feedback from random articles. Personally, i think we are in for a VERY BIG CORRECTION as I’ve been stating all along. Oil below 80 is not a good thing. Silver could very well see 20 bucks if the market crashes again and there are signs of it going that way. The euro, could be responsible for another great depression that major CBs won’t be able to reinflate if it happens. Just some food for thought for those who don’t care about price.”
     

    Listen Troll–why are you here?-–you never provide info that contributes to this site. All you do is tell us how right you were because of some previous silver price prediction. 

    Unless there are paper silver day-traders in here, I just don’t see the value of saying “like i said before—we’re in for a big sell off”–BS. It’s one thing to guess this with references and information that can be debated, but to turn this into short term price bantering is just trolling.

    Why don’t you troll somewhere else. You’re getting no response here. I’m thinking of using some spray.  

    As For This EDDIE77, I Think This Chalk Might Do The Trick


  127. Stop whining, and What is “anti silver redirect”?

  128. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    DOC,


    To clarify..
    If you look at 100 year silver data, noting the yearly average price. One can see the silver price stays fairly stagnant until the gold window was closed by Nixon on 8/15/71. From here, one will notice slight increases on an annual basis with few exceptions. This is where the real inflation began. Then note the spikes in silver price occurring with TARP, QE1 & QE2. These spikes are in accordance with the flood of paper entering the market. Is it possible that the silver could also hold a synthetic price as it has only risen due to overwhelming inflation, leaving the true purchasing power of the precious metal in goods and services somewhere in the 5-25 USD range?  Remember, in hyperinflation, the currency is still in there, but weak. I mean more in terms of no USD at all.
  129. This is why I have spent the better part of the last week away… Fuckin trolls get on here and start shit and cryin the fuckin blues… You want to pick on someone cause they don’t spell like you want and pick on someone else cause they tell the facts and explain shit and yet you still want to wine like the little bitch you are… You want to pick on some one do it to there face or sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up… If you don’t like the community here and the way Doc runs his site then don’t fuckin come in here… 2/3 of the comments on this topic are due to A TROLL and his sad excuse for a pissin contest… That’s a fuckin waste of peoples time and disrespect to the Doc… Believe it or not troll there are some people on here that like to think for themselves and add to there knowledge bank… SEW STOPP UR WYNIN U LIDL BICH!!

    And so I keep with tradition I had me an awesome pulled pork samich wit slaw for me viddles too nite ;0)

  130. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Danno your a punk bitch.

  131. Folks, obviously we are witnessing an escalation in troll activity.  PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!  Some of us may well have lots of time to debate with them later, in “camp”, where they will ultimately prove whether or not they really care for the free exchange of ideas, etc…

  132. You just remember that when I rip your head off and shit down your throat trolly pop!

  133. Well said Danno;

    I do not think you know how happy I am to see you. It’s like the Calvary ridding in bitch slapping winners and bring food to!
    I am preset and accounted for general  comrade commander SD click sir.
  134. PS: the Doc would prefer if we just ignore them, but shit there was three or fore hear to day

  135. LMFAO!!! Well allllllrighty then an a Yippy Skippy fellow comrad commando dude !!! HEHEHE…. Plenty more where that came from bother 427!! And plenty o grub too!!!

    I see I need my bio suit with all the piss dribble up in here…Haha

    @ Toronto… I hear ya… Although I look forward to meeting them in camp… Then school will be OPEN!!

  136. Yeah I see we have been compromised by the enemy…. We gonna have to beef up the wire and add more spider holes…
    I saw the Docs post… I was just so pissed by the time I finally got to the end of this I figured whats another colorful truth filled post… Ya know… Between friends… Haha  

  137. Danno:

    I have been gritting it and bearing it oh for way to long today.
    Here we are getting ready for the messy job of troll mop up
  138. I do not post much, and generally enjoy reading the post here.  Tonight is an exception for me as I have not enjoyed these back and forth fights.  Reading through all the comments I feel like I have been bumping into these guys all through the 100 + post.

       

  139. ROFL 427!!!! That is us indeed brother!! Then we can melt down some of our stack to shape into less obvious objects… Then break for lunch… Haha….
    BTW… I hope you don’t expect me to carry both buckets around the whole time…. LoL… Jus sayin… :0)

  140. After watching Roger Waters’ EPIC revisitation of “The Wall” last night, I can’t help but see them as little Pink-trolls in black leather uniforms (with keen red highlights) hiding behind their walls.  Each troll-post constitutes another brick in a troll-wall.  Maybe it’s because I just smoked the last of the pre-rolled joints I didn’t light at the concert.

  141. No Danno;

    Just the red one, ya thats it the extreem  hazardous wast red one. don’t forget to wash your hands before lunch 
  142. TTM;

    Well then a little pink floyd is in order and this one give a bref view of a troll at 41sec along with lots of sheepeople
  143. Sweet!! Then after lunch it’s STACK IT HIGH AND TO THE SIDE MAYBE EVEN WIDE BUT FOR HEAVEN SAKES STACK STACK stack STACK stack STACK…. oh and don’t forget… STACK!!!

  144. This is the pix I tried to upload earlier and failed.  Reading all the post I felt like I just kept running in to these guys.

  145. Hoody Who

    Who are those guys? what are there names and do you think the photo is digitally manipulated
    Danno sounds like I’ll be needing another safe hanging with you.lol
  146. 427, I found them on the internet a long time ago.  Looks like two brothers to me judging by those matching ears.  My goodness, what a set of ears.  Looks like they have been fighting and they sure do look mean.

    I know I would not like to run into these fellows.  Photo looks like its from the old days when silver was at a super duper price.   

  147. Hoody Who;

    Funny you brought up the ears, Im also looking at your avatar.
  148. I like Hoody Who’s Pic… haha
    Another safe isn’t ever a bad thing 427… Hehehe

  149. Got Goldies Yes, we know that, but we’re willing to take the risk. We have One mightier than all the governments in the world at our backs. Furthermore, we haven’t done anything that is illegal. This however doesn’t mean that we will put up with the crap of government rats and trolls in conversation here.

  150. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    A safe is the first thing robbers look for. 

  151. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Through ever changing policy, as we have seen lately. What is legal today, may not be tomorrow.

  152. Doc, I am trying, but it’s so damn hard.

  153. I am no troll. I help society more than you know.

  154. Eddie the troll;

    There will be no need for you to comment in response to any comment I make from this point forward. Quit side busting others conversation and stop with all your childish button pushing. You have done nothing on this site but the above stated actions. Direct you snide comments else were like an entire different website.
    Yes there is no need for a response what so ever not now or in the future. 
  155. 427- Who are you to tell people what to and what not to do? I think you are slightly egotistical.

  156. Arguing with trolls is like trying to teach a pig to dance.  It irritates the pig and you end up smelling like pork.

  157. So much to read and such good opinions. All I can say is we better batten the hatches now the storm is near.

  158. Yea 427,  my avatar has big ears too.  Of course that is the case with some of us in Who-ville.

    Wow, finaly the metals are popping – UP !!!!  The almost ultimate safe haven, Jesus Christ is 1st.

    While the rest of the market is crashing – DOWN!!!!

  159. Eddie77
    You know, I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt and have been polite with you
    up to this point, but it’s clear to me that you’re here to stir the proverbial
    shit. So allow me to respond to some of your posts to at least some extent, but
    I am definitely not going to entertain it at length.

    ————————————————————-

    Comment
    left by you:

    “Jakedoosh, Superspeller 427,  Here is a question for all you bad asses..

    The dollar has had nothing but inflation since 1913. By
    way of fractional reserve banking, printing, ect.

    You call the value of an asset (Ag)  at $500 – $1000 after the crash of the
    dollar. Yet the very currency you call the value of the asset in, is the same
    one that has just crashed. Therefore the valuation of the asset will not be
    measured in the dollar, but in the currency implemented following the dollar.
    Therefore the valuation of the asset, must in turn be worthwhile to the holder
    in terms of goods and services. So, if the price of the asset has been inflated
    simply because the dollar has been inflated, the notion that you are already
    paying too much for said asset is valid.

    Rebuttal?”

     

    My
    response:

    427
    left this before you posted the above: “However
    the term dollar will need to be removed to judge VALUE”

    Ok,
    so kindly explain how this part of your comment can be justified: “You call the value of an asset (Ag)  at $500 – $1000 after the crash of the dollar”
    , if it’s clear that 427 for one advocates that at the end of the day “…the
    term dollar will need to be removed
    to judge VALUE”.

    “Therefore the valuation of the asset will not be
    measured in the dollar, but in the currency implemented following the dollar”

    – The value of the asset will not necessarily be valued “in the currency
    implemented following the dollar” and/or it might not be a truthful reflection
    of the asset’s value, just as the dollar is now not a truthful reflection of
    the asset’s value. I personally believe that when the dollar is dead, the value
    of an asset will be measured in the quantity and quality of goods or services
    that can be exchanged for it.  

    “Therefore the valuation of the asset, must in turn be
    worthwhile to the holder in terms of goods and services”

    – Of course prudent holders of goods and services would want to get the best
    deal, just as those holding money (gold and silver) will be pushing for the
    best deal. Maybe I don’t get you, but goods and services as well as money can
    be assets. You write as if there might be a play-off between “assets” and “goods
    and services”. Why don’t you call the “asset” money (gold and silver) to
    simplify matters or at least tell us which asset you’re in reference to?

    “So, if the price of the asset has been inflated simply
    because the dollar has been inflated, the notion that you are already paying too
    much for said asset is valid”
    – No, not necessarily. It
    depends on the extent to which the price of the asset has been inflated. In the
    case of gold and silver, the prices have not been inflated to the same extent
    than the prices of other assets, good or services, have been inflated. One can
    thus assume with relative safety, when compared to gold and silver prices, that
    we’re in relative terms paying more for other assets, good or services, than we’re
    paying for gold and silver.

    ————————————————————-

    Comment
    left by you:

    “Through ever changing policy, as we have seen lately.
    What is legal today, may not be tomorrow”

    My
    response:

    I
    assume it is in response to: “Got
    Goldies Yes, we know that, but we’re willing to take the risk. We have One
    mightier than all the governments in the world at our backs. Furthermore, we
    haven’t done anything that is illegal. This however doesn’t mean that we will
    put up with the crap of government rats and trolls in conversation here.”

    lol
    You seriously think we’re stupid enough to think that their policies won’t
    change and that what is legal today, may not be tomorrow? This is the whole
    point of the exercise here, get as many people educated about gold and silver (or
    money for that matter), so that when they outlaw it, we can respond in numbers.
    It is for me personally a bigger risk to stay quiet than to speak up and be killed
    in the process. What harm can they do after they’ve killed the physical body?

    ————————————————————-

    Comment
    left by you:

    “Think the Doc and Jake are helping you?

    Then why are they pushing silver on all you fools at
    $27 when it will soon be $15?

    $ 1000 / $27 = 37 ounces

    $ 1000 / $15 = 66 ounces

    Which one do you want?

    If Doc and Jake were your saviors, they would tell you
    to wait till its 15 bucks. But nooooo, all sales are way up here at 26-30 $
    range.”

     

    My
    response:

    Well
    fool, if I may return the favor in kind, who says physical silver will be
    available for sale at $15? Are you willing to take that risk? If yes, good for
    you. If not, well, then you might like many of us here choose to apply
    dollar-cost-averaging (to those of you who are not familiar with the term, it
    means we buy physical silver regularly despite the paper-manipulated silver price
    and the call by government agents not to do so).

    However,
    I can tell you with absolutely certainty that I for one won’t sell my silver to
    you at any fiat price, especially not at $15 an ounce. Like many here, with the
    help of God, I will hold onto my physical silver until the perpetrators behind the
    fiat Ponzi scheme and their cork suckers get to stand naked in the cold, not
    being able to call the shots anymore (or not able to annoy civilized people at
    forums and what have you), until the hard-working and decent folks in the world
    can taste true freedom again.

    The
    silver and gold story is after all a story of freedom, away from the banksters
    and their lackeys, politically and otherwise.

    ————————————————————-

    Comment
    left by you:

    “A safe is the first thing robbers look for.”

     

    My
    response:

    Exactly,
    that’s why it’s among the best places to place booby traps.

    ————————————————————-

    Eddie77
    You’ve clearly missed the whole point of the above article. Again, you’re
    clearly here to stir the proverbial shit. How much are they paying you to get
    us silver bugs to play silly little fiat games? Needless to say, good luck in
    trying to convince us not to buy physical silver the moment we’re able to do
    so.

                       

  160. The comments were highlighted in my post above, but it were lost at posting.

  161. SB stop showing the pics of my happy treats on my doors… I told you that was a secret…. :0)
    HOOO RAAHH!!!

  162. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Silver bullion–

    SB–”and/or it might not be a truthful reflection of the asset’s value, just as the dollar is now not a truthful reflection of the asset’s value. I personally believe that when the dollar is dead, the value of an asset will be measured in the quantity and quality of goods or services that can be exchanged for it.”

    No shit, that was already established. The question was “What is that value”? You said the same thing as me, in different words.




      SB–Maybe I don’t get you, but goods and services as well as money can be assets. You write as if there might be a play-off between “assets” and “goods and services”. Why don’t you call the “asset” money (gold and silver) to simplify matters or at least tell us which asset you’re in reference to?

    Of course there will be a “play-off”. Its called a transaction. goods for an asset, and vice-versa.


  163. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    So essentially that grenade transforms you from a stacker into a felon. Have fun with that murder charge.

  164. Eddie77

    “No shit, that was already established. The question was “What is that value”? You said the same thing as me, in different words”

    Correct, so why did you post it originally to convey the idea that Jake and 427 are against the idea of value in that sense? What about the rest that was posted? Yes, you’re full of it.

    “Of course there will be a “play-off”. Its called a transaction. goods for an asset, and vice-versa”

    No, there can be a transaction without a play-off. A play-off in the sense that I use it refers to where both parties want the best out of the deal or transaction, which is not always the case.

    According to WordWeb: play-off =  “Any final competition to determine a championship” (noun) or “Set into opposition or rivalry” (verb).

  165. lol I will try Danno. I hope it is hanging like fruit at your place as well… ripe for the harvest.

  166. Eddie77

    “So essentially that grenade transforms you from a stacker into a felon. Have fun with that murder charge.”

    lol Why are you so fcking predictable… google it fool. 

  167. AG lol I couldn’t state it better myself. I think I need a bath now.

  168. Plenty of fruit crop for the pickin SB!! Wanna be thieves get what they deserve :0) Come for metal then metal you get!!

  169. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    What happens when the grenade blows your safe sky high scattering your bullion for hundreds of feet in diameter? You can not find all the bullion and evade ATF at the same time. Sounds like a loss of assets to me.

  170. lol Exactly Danno.

    Eddie77 lol Who says there are anything of value in the safe?

  171. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Oh my god, you finally got me. Finally !!! Now go rub one out and your day will be complete. Being top dog on coins feels so so good. makes me know I am not the only one with this mindset. makes me know there are free thinkers out there willing to soak up any info available. Makes me know I am not a Troll. thank you free thinkers, thank you.

  172. lol Don’t flatter yourself.

     

  173. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    What was that #2?

  174. Diablo III lol

    Who are you: MushroomMajik, eddie77 or VeiledGenesis?

    “Everything I said can be found in the user agreement, I dont troll”

    Source: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/930659-diablo-iii/62850325?page=4

  175. Troll you forgot to coin yourself twice on the last post… wouldn’t want u to miss any….

  176. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    “He is I and I am him, slim with the tilted brim.”

  177. “Remember, I’m a troll, Eddie. People will stare at us no matter what we choose to wear.”
     
    “Yeah, I guess a little while ago, I would’ve done the same thing. Now, being around trolls is starting to seem so normal.”

    Source: http://storywrite.com/story/7752343-Dont_Feed_The_Bears-by-Xylch

  178. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Sounds like evidence of my NOT coining myself.

  179. lol Perhaps we’re dealing with Mads Juchkumsen from Denmark? The troll that loves gaming.

  180. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Perhaps you outsmart yourself daily.

  181. lol It gets better…

    Originally Posted by SammyPops: “Whitebelts should not be allowed to start threads … or even post for that matter.”

    Response by Whitebelt eddie77: “If that were so…you would still be a white belt. Congratulations on having more time to waste on the computer though.

    I hope that when I earn my Sherdog blue belt I too will be blessed with your wisdom.

    Dipshit!”

    Source: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/owgp-801257/index4.html

  182. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    My belts include, 15 years experience in the commodity pits at the CBOT. Gold, Corn, Soy beans, Soy bean crush, Soy bean meal, Soy bean oil, Corn options, Soy bean options, 30 yr, 10 yr, Munis, Dow futures. These days I fight the big banks at a foreclosure defense law firm. I help individuals losing their home to the corrupt system, save said home. I understand more about finance than you will ever fathom. I understand both paper, as well as physical markets. Nice belts huh??

  183. eddie why are you here?

  184. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    To debate the great Jake of course..

  185. lol It seems I’ve hit a soft spot there… thank you for confirming my suspicions. Yeah, and I suppose the “foreclosure defense law firm” is not paying you a salary, you’re doing it all for charity right???

    “If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck”

  186. That’s not a good enough explanation.
    Eddie, why are you here?

  187. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Spin it however you want. No business works for free, not even you. Free gov programs screw things up. Who do you want defending your most important asset? The gov or a seasoned pro?

  188. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Jake,

    Thanks for the civility. I am truly here to gain knowledge about metals. I am also here to give knowledge about metals. Call BS when I see it, debate when needed, agree when needed, and strike with the destructive force of the coiled Gadsden rattler if provoked. Only when provoked. Peace.
    Eddie
  189. Eddie77 Did you work for the likes of JPMorgan? Did they call you to ask for a favor?: “We will have some nice perks coming your way if you head over to SD and convince them not to buy physical silver now… get them to buy at $15 an ounce. It will allow us to bleed the market dry of physical, and when the fools hit the buy button at $15, they will be caught with their pants down.”

  190. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    I did not. 

  191. Eddie77  Said:
    To debate the great Jake of course..

    Hey Eddie!   I tried that once!   But it is pointless.   He will just start being abusive to you.   Have you seen that happen before?

    Congratulations to you Eddie!   You have more coins than Jake or 427!   I wonder if we can get some statistics on who gave you the coins.  I bet Jake and 427 are being unappreciative of your posts and haven’t given you a single coin!

  192. lol Eddie77 I am not the one that’s doing the spinning.

  193. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Again I lay coiled, yet rattling….ever rattling.

  194. Are you at work Eddie? How is it you find time to troll here?
    what is your business?

  195. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Back to the insults huh Jake. Nose to nose I call for a debate. You bitch out.

  196. Eddie says:
     ” I am also here to give knowledge about metals.”

    What have you given here—please re-post your contributions

  197. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Jake–Why don’t you go dig your info out, like I been doing for years. Unless it will make your cunny hurt.

  198. Eddie, I don’t see you on other threads—this thread was about the question Bruce had—what contributions do you have for him?—Are you contributing on other threads?

  199. This was your “contribution” to another thread today:
    “Europe closing with more bad news coupled with buy stops.”
    Please elaborate on this statement so we can learn more

  200. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Yes, all the other ones that you berated me on. I contributed on those. Remember?

  201. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    This is brewing to be quite a brawl. Lets find out the odds. 

    COIN HERE FOR JAKE
  202. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    This is brewing to be quite a brawl. Lets find out the odds. 

    COIN HERE FOR EDDIE
  203. In your opinion eddie, Is this contributing to this thread?:
    “This is brewing to be quite a brawl. Lets find out the odds. 

    COIN HERE FOR EDDIE”

    How is this contributing?

  204. Avatar of Eddie77 says:
    Reason #1  There were more buyers than sellers.

    Reason #2   Spain, Cyprus & Greece all need money, among others. No one has money to give. Germany does not want to do it. There is no valid fix to any problem on the table. This news came out toward the end of the day. This pushed loot into the safety of our beloved metals. Trigger a buy stop or two on the way up and Shhaazzmmm! You got a 90 cent move.

  205. I would also like to know how you think this next statement by you is contributing to this thread:
    “Unless it will make your cunny hurt.”

  206. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Well it did not really help the thread. It was just a reference to your sloppy beaver.

  207. Jake   asked:

    Eddie says:
     ” I am also here to give knowledge about metals.”

    What have you given here—please re-post your contributions

    I can answer that!   Eddie tried to help you understand what the term ‘demonitized’ meant.   You probably still don’t know even though Eddie explained it to you.  But once again, Contempt prior to investigation applies here…


  208. Keep them coming eddie—please elaborate
    this is your last contribution:
    “Well it did not really help the thread. It was just a reference to your sloppy beaver.”

  209. Would you give us additional insights?
    We all need you to be a part of this blog. Please tell us more.

  210. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Oh you saw my post alright, but still you evade the debate and expose yourself to all as a…. well….a..help me here guys….

  211. Eddie says:
    “…but still you evade the debate and expose yourself to all as a…. well….a..help me here guys….”

    As a what?—Please elaborate—Can’t you get any more graphic?

  212. Eddie—Why are you here?

  213. “Eddie tried to help you understand what the term ‘demonitized’ meant.”
    Well—Do you, (HD), know what it has to do with this thread?—And do you know how to spell monetized?

    My question was put to Eddie—I wanted to know what he was about to say in his last post—Eddie, please be more graphic and elaborate more.

  214. I also didn’t get a complete answer to this question:
    “Eddie—Why are you here?”

  215. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Jake, 427, Danno, SB – When you berate others and call them trolls, you hamper the learning process. They post for a reason. Wrong or right. If you disagree, debate properly, to teach them, and possibly open their mind to new trains of thought.  Now that you have felt, as you make others feel. I call for a truce. No more of this troll BS. Lets all learn together, through debate, and not exclude anyone. The simple act of clicking on this site shows interest in our beloved metals.  No more calling dudes a troll. Deal?

  216. Eddie?—Are you at work now?—How do you find time to troll here?—This is just a simple question—Since you are obviously knowledgeable, I thought it might be helpful for you to answer that question. Please elaborate on that subject

    OR—you could contribute to this thread and answer the question posed by Bruce. The question related to his indecision, at the time, whether he should continue buying silver, even though he was losing in the short term.

  217. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Truce

  218. Okay, Eddie—I’ll refrain from calling you a troll for now, however, you said things about calling names, etc.—have you violated this rule?—and, I’m not getting answers from you on why you’re here. Also I’m not getting from you any elaboration regarding what you were about to say in this post:

    “…but still you evade the debate and expose yourself to all as a…. well….a..help me here guys….”

    As a what?—Please elaborate—Can’t you get any more graphic?

  219. Have you contributed to this thread yet?—If you think you have, please tell us what you think your contributions have been?

  220. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    I have violated in the past, but I am again coiled in peace. No need to elaborate or get graphic. Lets talk silver!!

  221. you’ll have your truce—but I’d like to see contributions to threads rather than trolling okay?

  222. You haven’t made me feel anything other than the urge to gouge your eye balls out with my thumbs and scull fuck you…. Other than that I could give 2 shits about you, your agenda, or anything else you have to say or do… I look forward to meeting you in camp as been said…

  223. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    I contributed by telling SB to be careful with that grenade.

  224. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    What camp?

  225. These last two posts by you Eddie, show you are having a little trouble contributing. Can you do a little better?

    Maybe you could answer SB’s question about his concern for you. He was concerned that your boss might see you on this site not contributing to threads. This might cause him to fire you because you’re not doing your job…Should we be concerned about you?

    Oh—and I’m still waiting for you to do what you promised—you were going to tell us why you’re here. Your first response was to “debate” me. But latter you said you wanted to contribute your knowledge…please help us to help you, ok?—We’re very concerned.

  226. Eddie77 said:
     I contributed by telling SB to be careful with that grenade.

    This is very true!   As tempting and righteous as it might seem, setting deadly booby traps will get you put in prison.    Eddie contributed big time by reminding me of this fact because I was considering how difficult it would be to do something similar.

  227. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Danno – You have quite the slippery tongue, semen will do that. If you are such a bad ass that ”
    gouges your eye balls out with my thumbs and scull fucks” dudes. Then why are you gonna be hauled off to camp like some punk? 

  228. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Hide your shit in heat ducts and hollowed out studs, surrounded by screws, to fake out metal detectors.

  229. Mean while, I am amazed at Eddie’s popularity.   All the self important people are questioning what Eddie has contributed but nobody is close to Eddie’s coin count.    The current stat’s are:


    Eddie77
    Eddie77
    220

    silverbullion
    silverbullion
    164

    427
    427
    156

    Jake
    Jake
    118

    I can’t help but notice the person dogging Eddie the most is at the bottom of the popularity poll. 

  230. HD— This was your last post: ” I contributed by telling SB to be careful with that grenade. This is very true!”

    Do you really think this is contributing to a thread that was originally designed to help Bruce with his silver decision?I don’t think you’re being very respectfuldo you?

  231. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Bruce’s thread is the other one. Check it out with this scroll bar ——————————————>

  232. HD and Eddie?—Why are you both here?—I haven’t yet found out the answer to this.

  233. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Can you just stop fighting please. We are here cause we like silver. If I wanted to argue, I would go see my girlfriend.

  234. Okay—Eddie–have you contributed to this thread then Eddie?
    Oh yes—You said this:
    This post is bullshit. It make absolutely no sense at all. Jake will be
    here at some point to call people trolls, and lead his click to the
    slaughter. What a homo.

    Is this contributing—in your opinion?

  235. Eddie77

    I didn’t call you a troll before the following comment of yours was left:

    “Think the Doc and Jake are helping you?

    Then why are they pushing silver on all you fools at $27 when it will soon be $15?
    $ 1000 / $27 = 37 ounces
    $ 1000 / $15 = 66 ounces

    Which one do you want?

    If Doc and Jake were your saviors, they would tell you to wait till its 15 bucks. But nooooo, all sales are way up here at 26-30 $ range.”

    In addition, I will berate you when you leave comments like the above, what did you expect, praise?

    So in regards to…

    “Jake, 427, Danno, SB – When you berate others and call them trolls, you hamper the learning process. They post for a reason. Wrong or right. If you disagree, debate properly, to teach them, and possibly open their mind to new trains of thought. Now that you have felt, as you make others feel. I call for a truce. No more of this troll BS. Lets all learn together, through debate, and not exclude anyone. The simple act of clicking on this site shows interest in our beloved metals. No more calling dudes a troll. Deal?”

    There will be no deal or truce from my side while you leave comments like the above and fail to respond properly. So please, what guarantee can you provide us that physical silver will be available for sale when the paper-manipulated price hits $15 an ounce? If not, who are you to call us fools or to convey the idea that we believe Doc and Jake are our saviors? Answer these questions properly and I will allow the term “troll” to slip from my mind. 

  236. Eddie—You also said this:
    Don’t you think this was violating your new rules of civility?

    “Think the Doc and Jake are helping you?
    Then why are they pushing silver on all you fools at $27 when it will soon be $15?
    $ 1000 / $27 = 37 ounces
    $ 1000 / $15 = 66 ounces
    Which one do you want?
    If
    Doc and Jake were your saviors, they would tell you to wait till its 15
    bucks. But nooooo, all sales are way up here at 26-30 $ range.”
  237. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Jakes fired up huh..

  238. Jake:  Said without really thinking too hard:

    HD— This was your last post: ” I contributed by telling SB to be careful with that grenade. This is very true!”


    Do you really think this is contributing to a thread that was originally designed to help Bruce with his silver decision?I don’t think you’re being very respectfuldo you?


    Jake, you are so quick to throw rocks at people.  I made a small spelling mistake that in no way impacted your understanding of what I said, and of course you jump my case over it.   Now, you are lying and saying that this thread was meant to help Bruce with his situation.   I’m pretty sure that is NOT the case.    How about an apology from you?

  239. Eddie and HD—Why are you here?

  240. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    SB says–I didn’t call you a troll before the following comment of yours was left:

    “Think the Doc and Jake are helping you?

    Then why are they pushing silver on all you fools at $27 when it will soon be $15?
    $ 1000 / $27 = 37 ounces
    $ 1000 / $15 = 66 ounces

    Which one do you want?

    If Doc and Jake were your saviors, they would tell you to wait till its 15 bucks. But nooooo, all sales are way up here at 26-30 $ range.” There will be no deal or truce from my side while you leave comments like the above and fail to respond properly. So please, what guarantee can you provide us that physical silver will be available for sale when the paper-manipulated price hits $15 an ounce? If not, who are you to call us fools or to convey the idea that we believe Doc and Jake are our saviors? Answer these questions properly and I will allow the term “troll” to slip from my mind. 


    ——————————————————————————————————————————————————–

    Who cares if its available at $15. If you are all dollar cost averaging, then you will be purchasing at 26,25,24,23,22,21,20,19,18,17,and 16 dollars.
  241. Who says I will be “hauled off” trolly pop? I’ll pay you a visit since it’s obvious where you will be…

    So your saying you have a problem with gays? Or girls?

  242. Silver_Bullion said:

    So please, what guarantee
    can you provide us that physical silver will be available for sale when
    the paper-manipulated price hits $15 an ounce? If not, who are you to
    call us fools or to convey the idea that we believe Doc and Jake are our
    saviors? Answer these questions properly and I will allow the term
    “troll” to slip from my mind.

    If silver gets whacked to $21 per ounce, I doubt you will be able to find very much physical.   The coin dealers are going to just raise the premiums significantly or close their doors for a week.   If the price is held at $21, people will start standing for delivery of Good Delivery bars.  

    But at $15 an ounce???   Every coin dealer would be cleaned out the same day.

  243. hunkered_down

    “Mean while, I am amazed at Eddie’s popularity.   All the self important people are questioning what Eddie has contributed but nobody is close to Eddie’s coin count.”

    Don’t flatter yourself, the coin count can easily be manipulated and we’re not running a popularity contest here (in case you haven’t noticed).

  244. Eddie has not told us if his boss is looking over his shoulder—he might be fired…and we all are very concerned.—there is no fighting Eddie—we are concerned because jobs are scarce.

    HD—that was not an attack—that was a simple question—do you know how to spell monetize?—that was all—I was concerned for you too—If you’re going to teach people about monetary policy and such, you’ll need to learn to spell it correctly. I recall you and Eddie berated 427 for his spelling yesterday—is that not true?

    See?—we all have a tremendous amount of concern for the both of you—BTW—why are you both here?—please elaborate.

  245. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Danno- If you are not hauled off, then that means that you went to camp willingly. Some fighter you are. Duhhhhh

  246. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    We are the brothers with big ears. We don’t look to smart huh. Too bad we are working you fools.

  247. Jake is trying to back peddle:

    HD—that was
    not an attack—that was a simple question—do you know how to spell
    monetize?—that was all—I was concerned for you too—If you’re going
    to teach people about monetary policy and such, you’ll need to learn to
    spell it correctly. I recall you and Eddie berated 427 for his spelling
    yesterday—is that not true?

    Refresh my memory.   Go ahead and quote what I said even though you find that so rude to do.  I did have some problems deciphering some of 427′s posts because of missing words and misspelling but most likely I didn’t initiate any comments about that.  

  248. I don’t get the feeling that Eddie is here to contribute anything—I still have seen only non-contribution coming from him—Are you at work Eddie?—Is your boss noticing that you spend a lot of time on the internet?—Is this costing your company? The company you work for might be losing your valuable time as a valuable employee…aren’t you guilty about that?

  249. hunkered_down Thank you for the answer.

    Eddie77

    “Who cares if its available at $15. If you are all dollar cost averaging, then you will be purchasing at 26,25,24,23,22,21,20,19,18,17,and 16 dollars.”

    Don’t hide behind dollar cost averaging now, show some balls…

    “Then why are they pushing silver on all you fools at $27 when it will soon be $15?”

    “If Doc and Jake were your saviors, they would tell you to wait till its 15 bucks. But nooooo, all sales are way up here at 26-30 $ range.”

    So again, what guarantee can you provide us that physical silver will be available for sale when the paper-manipulated price hits $15 an ounce? If not, who are you to call us fools or to convey the idea that we believe Doc and Jake are our saviors? Come on, this an opportunity for the “debate properly” you’ve been calling for. The ball is in your court… play it!

  250. HD—could you give us an update on coin count?

  251. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Can you guarantee it wont be.?  Sellers are always in the shop selling.

  252. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    Jake–Update on coins. You are getting smoked.

  253. I will make a special trip just to say hello in person…

  254. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    ya and ill crack your glass jaw.

  255. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    I was in the shop the other day and a cop was selling the dip instead of buying. We are minority thinkers remember. People will puke this silver when it gets low, not understanding the huge pop on the horizon.

  256. This seems to be in violation of your rules eddie:
    “We are the brothers with big ears. We don’t look to smart huh. Too bad we are working you fools”—I think you can do better than that. Are you both saying that you main intention is to disrupt this site:—What does big brothers with ears mean?
    please elaborate:

    There were a few malware notices a while back associated with this site—did you cause them?—I think Doc and Bullrun might like to know—I sent them a full description of this malware that was posted as most were logging into their computers and where it originated…this is a violation. Please tell us that you weren’t involved in this.

  257. Now then. Smoked no longer.

  258. Eddie: When you say We are the big brothers”—does this refer to you and HD?—Are you both working together?—Can you provide your ISP’s to Doc and Bullrun right away so they can look into this?

  259. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    I am not in IT. I am in law.

  260. you didn’t answer the question.

  261. Eddie77

    “Can you guarantee it wont be.?  Sellers are always in the shop selling.”

    Is that your best response? First off, I haven’t given any guarantees or called people crazy whether they choose to buy at $27 or $15 an ounce or not, but I’ve made it clear that in my opinion the risk of not finding any physical silver for sale at $15 an ounce is far greater than finding it at $27. Secondly, “sellers are always in the shop selling”, could you provide proof of this or are you just speculating? Can you provide us with a guarantee that the sellers will always be in the shop selling? If not, how can you use it to support your argument that we are fools?? I can easily say there are always buyers in the shop buying, but if I cannot back it up with proof, who exactly will it benefit?

    So again, what guarantee can you provide us that physical silver will be available for sale when the paper-manipulated price hits $15 an ounce? If not, who are you to call us fools or to convey the idea that we believe Doc and Jake are our saviors?

     

  262. You wouldn’t have a shot in hell of even being close trolly… That’s fact!!

  263. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    These are all speculations, as are yours.

  264. Eddie77

    “I was in the shop the other day and a cop was selling the dip instead of buying. We are minority thinkers remember. People will puke this silver when it gets low, not understanding the huge pop on the horizon.”

    lol Is that your guarantee that physical silver will be available at $15 an ounce?

  265. Jake, i checked and Eddie77, and HunkeredDown do not share the same IP. 
    ILUVPMS’ IP is also different.

    Eddie, we spoke via email and I requested you provide beneficial info to the community rather than taking over threads with meaningless debates.  If you wish to contribute to SilverDoctors you will need to prove that you have good intentions and will contribute valuable information.
    Yes, you have still been attacked today, but that appears to be a result of posts you left yesterday.

    No, Jake and I are not saviors, we are simply attempting to educate the public about precious metals in order to help readers protect themselves from the fiat destruction that is coming.  Could silver see $15?  Possibly, but physical will not be available anywhere near that price- if silver touches $15 you will not be able to source 1oz silver under $20. 
    As a bullion provider with SD Bullion, I see 1st hand the daily premium increasing that are already resulting with the drop to $26-$27.

    Regular readers have responded harshly to you in defense of the other posters who they have communicated for months with, and in defense of me. 

    I have not read every post so I am sure I am unaware of who said what, but I don’t have time or patience for he said she said. 

    Pointless arguments do not benefit the readers here.  Insults of me and the readers do not benefit anyone and will not be tolerated.

    On future and current threads, I once again request SD readers attempt to stay on topic.  If there is a blatant violation please email me @silverdoctors@gmail.com and I will either respond personally time permitting, or take appropriate actions.

  266. Doc—Is This A lie Or Is This True:
    Jake– I have spoken personally with The Doc. We spoke about many
    subjects, who I am, where I come from, why I protect myself. We also
    spoke about why you are not a contributor on the site any more. You used
    to be but you berate people so you lost your contributor status. Sorry
    bro.

    If True—Then You can Delete All My Posts—and I’ll leave, If Not, Then This Type Of Post Is Grounds for Eddie’s deletion.—I would like you to tell me in here if what Eddie said here is a lie.

  267. Eddie said:

    Jake– I have spoken
    personally with The Doc. We spoke about many subjects, who I am, where I
    come from, why I protect myself. We also spoke about why you are not a
    contributor on the site any more. You used to be but you berate people
    so you lost your contributor status. Sorry bro.

    That is interesting!   That is what I felt when I tried to help Bruce with a more rounded answer to his delima.   And in fact…   if it wasn’t for that hostility that I felt was inappropriately directed at me, I wouldn’t even be watching your back and forth with Jake.   But I’m glad that people are pushing back on him.  Unfortunately, it clutters up the forum with a bunch of useless posts in the bigger picture.   I am glad the Doc recognized this characteristic!

  268. and at the risk of another useless post.   I better correct the spelling of

    Dilemma

    before Jake jumps my case about it.

  269. Avatar of Eddie77 says:

    How else would I know this hush hush secret. Later Jake, Delete yourself.

  270. Eddie77

    “These are all speculations, as are yours.”

    Is that your best shot? The growing demand for silver is not speculation nor the blatant and illegal suppression of the silver price via paper, which is expected to eventually lead to severe physical silver shortages, it is based in fact that are backed by hard evidence. You’re very own government has admitted that players such as the Federal Reserve (the Fed), the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA), HSBC and JP Morgan are involved with a scheme that aims to supress the silver price, blatantly and illegally. This is not even to bring into equation all the evidence GATA, the CFTC and other sources have collected.

    Even if it was all speculation, who are you to claim that we’re fools to buy at $27 an ounce or that we deem Doc and Jake to be our saviors? Do you want to claim that we’re fools based on speculation?

    So again, what guarantee can you provide us that physical silver will be available for sale when the paper-manipulated price hits $15 an ounce? If not, who are you to call us fools or to convey the idea that we believe Doc and Jake are our saviors?

  271. Would you like to elaborate on this secret eddie?

  272. After discussion with Bull Run and a further review of the last day’s threads, Eddie has just become the 1st ever user deleted from SilverDoctors. 

    Those with their money on ILUVPMS can send their hate mail to Bull.  :)  

    Please remember to respect other members and refrain from coining your own comments.
    (at least not blatantly  266 coins on Monday!?!  )

  273. Doc and Bull Run…. I could give you 2 the biggest bear hugs ever… Now I’m going to wash my mouth out with soap and get back to STACKING!!!!! I love you guys!!! From the bottom of my vaults!!!

  274. Doc, thank you for stepping in…

    “Regular readers have responded harshly to you in defense of the other posters who they have communicated for months with, and in defense of me”

    I count myself among those who have tried to defend my silver Friends here at SD. I have no personal vendetta against the likes of eddie77, but it became clear to me that he was only here to cause division while stirring the proverbial shit. He couldn’t provide me with a valid answer pertaining to: So again, what guarantee can you provide us that physical silver will be available for sale when the paper-manipulated price hits $15 an ounce? If not, who are you to call us fools or to convey the idea that we believe Doc and Jake are our saviors? This has proven to me that he is not interested in a proper and civilized debate. His claim that “These are all speculations, as are yours” have also proven to me that he’s not serious about what we stand for here at SD.

  275. “Please remember to respect other members and refrain from coining your own comments” - Amen!

  276. Hi Everybody Doc I know you tried but the fact is he was hear for disruption only

  277. Finally something has been done as reading the threads was really getting to me and I was ready to pack it in. I’m the type of guy that can handle some shit but boy it was getting deep and I’m also the type that doesn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings so I stay quiet until I explode like my brother Danno then I get pissed off at myself for falling into the trap.
    Anyway thank you Doc and Bull Run for taking care of it. Now You Can Divide The Coins Collected Among the Rest Of Us. LMAO

  278. lol Danno Me too.

  279. Ok Danno;

    Do you have your red bucket? we have a lot of troll slime to clean up. ya ya ya then we can have dinner
  280. It happens to the best of us brother… At least I was unloading on a most deserving character… I know it wasn’t the “right” thing to do as I fell for the trap but I will be damned if I will be run off of the site or anywhere else unless I actually have done something to deserve it… If you know what I means…

    Now I think we will see a quick reverse to todays dollar increase in spot… Maybe in the next day or so… So if you are buying this week dry some fresh powder and add to that stack… Lets snatch it out of the market so they have less ammo to use on us… And if do what you can to add steady… If it drops to 20, 15, 10, 8, I will be adding ALL the way down… As with brother 427 Phyz is my bank account… If something comes up and I need some fiat I will convert what is needed then do my best to replace what I used… Oz’s turn to pounds which turn to kilo’s… It all adds up!!

  281. Hahaha!!! Nice SB!! Good choice!!
    I got it right here 427!! Sooner we are done the sooner we get our viddles!!!!!! YUMMMMMMMMMMMY!!

  282. Right on Danno

     

  283. lol I have the funny feeling that eddie77 is already plotting revenge.

  284. Well—I’m Away For an hour and I see that one troll has been deleted. Good…

  285. JAKE I’M BACK
    LMAO

  286.  

    @427

    STFU

     

  287. Jake Yep, one is down… now we need to do some patrolling to root out the rest.

    M45 lol You will give us heart attacks.

  288. SB & All other readers;

    Eddie 77 has to be a professional TROLL. He started on the site and laid low for a little while, to learn about all of us. Once he wanted to he basically called the Doc out in a challenging way. The Doc obliged him with a response, a few others as well. He then new how other would act and bite into his shit. so he targeted the readers that have no trouble expressing them self. I tried on the first night to help him and to open communications. He really didn’t care and went about the same actions the next day and the next day with his antagonistic ways. I knew this morning with comments prior to work the likelihood of him still being hear after work was nil. He was hear non stop from early morning to vary late at night, weekdays & weekends that alone should tell us something. Doc tried to give the benefit of the doubt but after three days he had absolutely no choice. In fact if he was still here after work tonight I would have stopped posting until he was gone. Now that said we still have more trolls here right now. Im not afraid to point out or call them on there shit. We can pull them off the main thread by making comments in earlier post like 3 pages back. Trust me they will see the comment and come running.    
  289. Jake The Doc said no such thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  290. Crazy Canuck;

    Why the derogatory remark at me?
  291. There are too many trolls on this site now— screw it.

  292. Jake you want to start a troll list in the forum? Music & Trolls

  293. Right on 427. I am with you… FEE, FIE, FOE, FUM: I Smell the blood of trolls…

     

  294. Start it up I’ll be there when I see it in the new forum column 

  295. Jake, please come back. We need you.

  296. @427

    No-one cares what you have to say about who you think is a troll or not! 

    I was a regular at the docs old site and until recently, I was a regular poster at the docs new site.

    I no longer frequent the docs site to engage in intelligent conversations with my fellow stackers for one reason. YOU!

    Since you and a started posting your ignorant and often misspelled blather and policing the docs site as self appointed troll monitor, it has gotten so time consuming to read through all your meaningless, unrelated to silver, comments that I now just read the posts and ignore the comments….or I go to other sites.

    If your not parroting chris duane or snippets of other info that you clearly cut and paste from other sites (without their permission) you are slandering other posters  or if it’s a particularly complicated issue that requires some deep thought, we don’t hear from you at all unless your buddies chime in with something intelligent that you can agree with.   Hmmmm

    Do us all a favor and stick to the relevent and ignore the trolls.  If you can’t,  just STFU

     

    DOC  if you’re as smart as I know you are, you’ll nip this shit in the bud before it kills your membership.

    Until then I’ll just hover in the background.

     

  297. @427

    I’m just sayin what everyone else is thinkin.

  298. Crazy Canuck;

    Thank You Vary Much.
    Just hope the spelling meets your expatiation. 
  299. @427

    I’m just sayin what everyone else is thinkin.

    Agreed!   Thank You for saying it.

  300. Eddie, I hope you read here… you lying maggot, I didn’t send any private messages to Doc and we openly attacked you while you’re account was still active. Doc has given you more than enough opportunity to defend yourself. Period.

  301. CC and hunkered down

    I don’t agree with you. Don’t count me among “I’m just sayin what everyone else is thinkin”. Period. Now back to silver and stacking.

  302. Or Me!!!

  303. This website has come a long ways from the early days especially in terms of commenting.  Please be respectful and stick with comments which will help educate others.  It’s time to move on and focus on the real issues.  We are almost all in support of diversifying assets and are bullish silver and gold…otherwise why would you be on SILVERDoctors.  Again…lets move on and leave this behind.

  304. Right on BullRun

  305. Rock on Bull Run!!!
    427 if you change I’ll have to make my way to the left coast and give you a cookin lesson you’ll never forget… Haha… Just do your thang… If it isn’t liked  the neat feature of this site is you can skip over stuff and read only what suits ur fancy….

    Hehehe… Stackin Stackin Stackin…..

  306. Proverbs 15:1

    A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.

    Colossians 4:5

    Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

    Luke 6:45

    A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

    James 1:26

     If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.

    James 3:3-5

    Behold, we put bits in the horses’ mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body. Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!

    I Peter 3:10

    For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

     

     

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